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According to Plato, Beauty was an idea or Form of which beautiful things were consequence.
Beauty by comparison begins in the domain of intelligible objects, since there is a Form of beauty. The most important question is: what do all of these beautiful things have in common?. To know that is to know Beauty.
The Theory of Forms maintains that two distinct levels of reality exist: the visible world of sights and sounds that we inhabit and the intelligible world of Forms that stands above the visible world and gives it being. For example, Plato maintains that in addition to being able to identify a beautiful person or a beautiful painting, we also have a general conception of Beauty itself, and we are able to identify the beauty in a person or a painting only because we have this conception of Beauty in the abstract. In other words, the beautiful things we can see are beautiful only because they participate in the more general Form of Beauty. This Form of Beauty is itself invisible, eternal, and unchanging, unlike the things in the visible world that can grow old and lose their beauty.
Plato’s account in the Symposium connects beauty to a response of love and desire, but locate beauty itself in the realm of the Forms, and the beauty of particular objects in their participation in the Form.
Beauty’s distinctive pedagogical effects show why Plato talks about its goodness and good consequences, sometimes even its identity with “the good” (Laws 841c; Philebus 66a–b; Republic, 401c; Symposium 201c, 205e).
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In Plato´ Symposium, Socrates claims to be quoting his teacher Diotima on the subject of love, and in her lesson she calls beauty the object of every love’s yearning.
She spells out the soul’s progress toward ever-purer beauty, from one body to all, then through all beautiful souls, laws, and kinds of knowledge, to arrive at beauty itself.
By going through these stages, one will ascend from loving particular kinds of beauty to loving Beauty itself, from which all beautiful things derive their nature.
Diotima suggests that a life gazing upon and pursuing this Beauty is the best life one can lead.
In the Symposium, the Form of Beauty is the final stage in the lover of knowledge’s ascent toward Beauty.
He begins by loving particular bodies, moving from there to bodies in general, to particular minds, to minds in general, to laws and practices, to knowledge, and finally to the knowledge of the Form of Beauty. The ascent is one of increasing generalization where one’s love of beauty comes to embrace more and more things.
Ultimately, however, one’s love of beauty will embrace only one thing, the Form of Beauty, but one will recognize in this Form all that is beautiful.
There is, besides, a sense of what Beauty may be: the signs of measure and proportion signal its presence and it is linked with goodness and justice.
Beauty here is conceived as perfect unity, or indeed as the principle of unity itself.
Plato´s Beauty Theory, as it appears in the Symposium, holds that the Beautiful is an objective quality which is more or less intensified in and exemplified by beautiful or less beautiful objects respectively. Beauty itself exists independently of the object’s relationship to a perceiver or of its being a means to some end.
The Beautiful, then, regardless of what it is, exists as a thing in itself, separate from and supreme in relation to the beautiful objects which are beautiful by somehow sharing in its being.
There is something innate and yet external to a beautiful object. Its beauty is there independently of a perceiver, and its being beautiful or not does not depend upon personal evaluations
Plato´s ideas could be considered as a sample of the prevailing classical conception.
According to it, Beauty consists of an arrangement of integral parts into a coherent whole, according to order, proportion and symmetry.
The ancient Roman architec Vitruvius gives as good a characterization of the classical conception in its underlying unity:
Order is the balanced adjustment of the details of the work separately, and as to the whole, the arrangement of the proportion with a view to a symmetrical result.
Proportion implies a graceful semblance: the suitable display of details in their context, when everything has a symmetrical correspondence.
Symmetry also is the appropriate harmony arising out of the details of the work itself: the correspondence of each given detail to the form of the design as a whole. (Vitruvius, 26–27)
Plato regarded beauty as objective in the sense that it was not localized in the response of the beholder.
In spite of Plato´s theories, we should now wonder if Beauty is an Universal Quality recognizable per se …
In other words… Is Beauty a relative assessment, which lies in the eye of the beholder…
If we believe so, then we should conclude that Beauty is created by a subjective judgment, in which each person determines whether something is beautiful or not.
If we agree with Plato, and therefore state that Beauty is pattern or form from which all beautiful things are derived, then we are assuming that Beauty is an objective feature.
By that our postulate would be that most perceivers would agree when it comes to determine whether something or someone is beautiful or not.
Without needing to take a side, we can say that it is both things…
Beauty couldn´t be entirely subjective—that is, if anything that anyone holds to be or experiences as beautiful is beautiful then it seems that the word has no meaning, or that we are not communicating anything when we call something beautiful except perhaps an approving personal attitude.
In addition, though different persons can of course differ in particular judgments, it is also obvious that our judgments coincide to a certain extent.
Either way, what we can certainly state is that our attraction to another person’s body increases if that body is symmetrical and in proportion.
In this sense, there are certain aesthetical features which might entail Beauty.
Scientists believe that we perceive proportional bodies to be more healthy. This is suggested in the following famous image showing an idealized human body within a square and a circle.
Leonardo da Vinci‘s drawings of the human body emphasized its proportion. The ratio of the following distances in the above Vitruvian Man image is approximately the Golden Ratio (Φ = 1.618033…).
With the math behind it, the symmetry of your face can be measured. The closer this number is to 1.618, the more beautiful it is…
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The Golden Ratio (Φ = 1.618033…).
The Vitruvian Man, drawing by Leonardo Da Vinci, showing the body dimensiones, according to the Golden Ratio.
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Following up with the previous philosophical introduction, I would like to bring to the spotlight a few greek mythological myths and certain thoughts, with regard to the idea of Beauty.
Firstly, the most well known case of the Judgement of Paris and the story of the Golden Apple of Discord.
The Judgement of Paris was a contest between the three most beautiful goddesses of Olympus–Aphrodite, Hera and Athena–for the prize of a golden apple addressed to “the fairest”.
While Paris inspected them, each of the goddess attempted with her powers to bribe him; Hera offered to make him king of Europe and Asia, Athena offered wisdom and skill in war, and Aphrodite, offered the world’s most beautiful woman.
On a side note, It is worth noting how mant times “Beauty” appears in this myth.
At the end, Paris chose Aphrodite, who was the Goddess of Love and Beauty, and Helen of Troy, who was considered the most beautiful woman, was bestowed on him, in exchange.
As to the beautiful Helen of Troy, she was also known as the face that launched a thousand ships, therefore somehow associated with features such as discord and betrayal.
The reason behind such reputation is that Helen of Troy was married by the time of the deal among the Prince of Troy and Aphrodite.
Hence Paris decided to abduct her, event which would eventually lead to the Trojan War…
In this sense, the Golden Apple was the biggest but also the most controversial prize. Besides and presumably, in the mythology surrounding “the Judgement of Paris”, the goddess of Discord Eris managed to enter The Garden of the Hesperides, which was Hera´s orchard, and plucked one of the fruits . We can therefore see why that golden apple go was also known as the Apple of Discord.
As to other quarrels originated due to similar smug assumptions involving Beauty, I would like to mention two cases, which are very similar when it comes to events and their consequences.
The first one features Myrrha, who was Adonis biological mother.
Myrrha’s mother had said that her daughter was even more beautiful than Aphrodite which angered the Goddess of Love, who cursed Myrrha to fall in love and lust after her father.
Thus, Myrrha became pregnant and gave birth to Adonis, who was raised by Aphrodite.
Adonis was very handsome, so, further on, Persephone was taken by his beauty, reason which brought a new quarrel among goddesses. In this case, between Aphrodite and Persephone.
Secondly, we have the well known myth of Perseus´beloved, Andromeda.
Her mother, Cassiopeia had offended the Nereids by boasting that Andromeda was more beautiful than they, so in revenge Poseidon sent a sea monster to ravage Andromeda´s father kingdom.
In all cases, Beauty causes troubles. We could say that it puts in the seeds of conflict.
Its counterpoint and collateral effect is jealousy. But also a sense of unnecessary pride and vanity seems to be present here.
Beauty claims to be defined in an extended way beyond itself… It needs to be recognized.
We could say that Beauty is defined by and to the Other.
Thus, in this order of ideas, we could think that Beauty seems to be an existentialist way to experience the Beautiful.
Intersubjectivity defines Beauty and the Other’s look constitutes the world and the beautiful as objective. This is because the Look tends to objectify what it sees.
Undoubtedly, there are subjective elements which help us define Beauty… But those ones, as Social Constructivists would state, are not necessarily individual but colective and cultural.
On the other hand, one can not deny that certain general and universal features, are linked to the idea of Beauty.
Therefore and figuratively speaking, I believe that Beauty would be a sui generis concept, constituted mainly by objective and intersubjective variables, which may vary according to time and contexts.
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►Gallery: “Some Greek Myths based on Beauty”:
(Click on the images for further details)
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►Playtime!:Is your face geometrically beautiful?:
Supposedly, when it comes to Beauty, the simplest measurement is the length of your face divided by the widest part of your face.
As previously mentioned above, the closer this number is to 1.618, i.e Golden Ratio, the more beautiful the person is…
There are countless ratios that can be measured, but the website Anaface will generate a computer calculation online of a few of these ratios, from your uploaded photo for free.
An important detail is that you ought to use the photograph URL. It didn’t work for me when I tried upload he image from my computer…
For that purpose, send yourself an email with the photograph and then copy paste its URL, as shown in the gallery.
Furthermore. keep in mind that the more horizontally your face is placed, the more reliable the results will be.
Use as a model the photograph provided in order to locate the points, especially if your ears don´t show up in the photograph due to your hair…
Follow up the instructions and you´ll soon get your score. Click on the images in the gallery below for further details …
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►Last but not Least: Quote Challenge: Beauty:
Paul from Pal Fitness has nominated me for a so called 3-Day Quote Challenge. Please Check out Paul´s blog. He is a personal trainer and coach, who loves blogging and writing.
The rules of this challenge are: ♠Post your favorite quotes or your own quotes for three (3) posts in a row. ♠Thank the person who nominated you. ♠Pass it on to three (3) other bloggers per quote, each time you post them. Or pass it to nine (9) bloggers if you choose to post all the quotes together, in the same post.
⚠ Note: I will post the three (3) quotes together. Thus I will nominate nine (9) Bloggers.
Also, I thought It would be pertinent to choose quotes on Beauty, alongside photographs taken by me, which you will be able to see in my Instagram account... All this aims to keep it on with the topic of this post… So that’s how I will do it :D. If you have been nominated, feel free to join the challenge if you feel it is worth it, want to and/or have time to do so. You can to pick out whichever creative license regarding this feature.
My nominees for the Quote Challenge are: 1. D.G.Kaye Writer 2. Parlor of Horror 3. Course of Mirrors 4. Living the Dream 5. Solveig Werner 6. Scribble and Scrawl 7. Round World and Me 8. The Lonely Author 9. Aidyl93
►Three Quotes on Beauty by John Keats, and some Photographs:
~ Click on the images to read ~
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►Links Post:
http://www.iep.utm.edu/plato/
http://www.anaface.com/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Other
http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/beauty/#ClaCon
http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/plato-aesthetics/
http://asifoscope.org/2013/05/10/on-beauty/
http://www.intmath.com/blog/mathematics/is-she-beautiful-the-new-golden-ratio-4149
http://www.sparknotes.com/philosophy/plato/themes.html
http://www.sparknotes.com/philosophy/symposium/section11.rhtml
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Aquileana
⚡️La Audacia de Aquiles⚡️ 
No, I haven’t read it yet. But when I see you post appear, I know I am in for a treat. Wanted to get a comment in early. lol So will be back with a like…….later. 🙂
Dear LadySighs Thank you very much for dropping by!. I got your like too so I assume you enjoyed the reading…
I will be at your blog soon… All the best to you!, Aquileana 😀
Amazing, as always!!
Btw, you have a new Instagram follower!!
Thanks so much dear José… For your words and for following up on Instagram… I am glad that we are connected there…
HUGS. Aquileana 😀
Me too. It is a different world from this, but also full of emotions.
More hugs that are crossing the Atlantic Ocean 😉
It is a little bit more personal… That´s what I like about Instagram, makes the virtual connection more real, somehow… Overseas hugs back at you. Aquileana ✨
I agree that beauty is both subjective and objective. Sometimes it’s in the eye of the beholder, but other times it’s universal. For example, studies have shown babies will fixate on the more beautiful of two faces. That suggests an inherent, objective nature to beauty, at least on some level.
Beautiful post by a beautiful lady in all meanings of the word!
Dear Carrie… I didn’t know that babies had that innate tendency to Beauty… but I have been thinking in Piaget, who theorized on issues related to child development and I can see it makes much sense.
Thanks for the lovely words, I am very humbled … but above all, I am very glad to connect with you… sending love and best wishes. Aquileana 😀
aquileana – had to chime in here – you are so smart! oh my gosh – and I like the posts here and some of the comments are learning adventures too!
xxoo
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I am so pleased to read your words. Very glad to know that you enjoyed the post and found the discussion on the comments interesting as well..
Sending love and all my best wishes. Aquileana ★🎇 ~
Xxoo 😊💚
Food for thought!
You tend to look at beauty from a whole new perspective after reading this.
Best wishes and regards 🙂
Dear Hargun… Thank you very much dear for your words.
I truly appreciate them. All the best to you!, Aquileana 😀
You are welcome 🙂
Happy a blogging!
Amazingly informative yet interesting – as always. Makes you think. 🙂
Thanks a lot for your words… I am really pleased to know that you liked the post… All the best to you!, Aquileana 😀
You are very welcome Aquileana 🙂
Very interesting! I now know more about beauty than I ever thought I would.
I am really glad to read so, dear Marissa. Sending you love and all my best wishes!. Aquileana 😀
Thank you! To you too!
This is fascinating – I might try the Anaface when I feel brave… Some things are universally beautiful but human beauty seems to be subjective, to some extent. Great blog!
I am sure that you´ll get very good results… Go ahead… between you and me, I think my nose is a little bit wide if we compare it to my mouth… But it seems it wasn’t that bad after all… at least geometrically speaking, you know..
Thanks so much for your words… Glad to connect on Blogland… Aquileana ✨
You are beautiful and don’t let anyone or thing tell you any different.
Those words put a smile on my face… Thank you very much. 🙂 All the best to you!, Aquileana 😀
Everything has beauty, but not everybody sees it – Confucius- and this is also my opinion. Your post is, as always, beautiful and it touches my heart. Grazie mille, Aquileana.:) e un grande abbraccio Martina
Dear Martina… that quote by Confucius speaks out loud… I am guessing he might be making reference to the Form of Beauty somehow… Plato would be nodding in agreement with him…
Sending much love… thanks a lot for your words. Aquileana ✨
It’s the conception of Beauty, as Plato said, I think. I reread your beautiful article again and enjoyed it so much! Thank you:)
Buona serata cara Aquileana….
Un abbraccio, Omar 🙂
Tante grazie caro Omar… buona giornata. Abbraccio. Aquileana 🌟
Often, reading Plato is akin to listening to someone doing drugs (or a little tipsy) insomuch that they “see” things they self-label as both profound and self-evident.
I can’t agree with much of his logic because we know for a fact that our perception of beauty can be (and is) manipulated by many factors, often intentionally and just as often, artificially. One need only look back on how our perception has changed over the last few thousand years, both in art and everyday life.
The claim something is universally beautiful can often be traced to a consensus and the training since childhood. For example, few people tell their kids sunsets are horrible.
Now, one can argue that they don’t because sunsets are inherently beautiful. But, think about it from the perspective of a child or someone that has never seen one. The appearance of the sky on fire should be terrifying. The only reason it’s not is because at some time someone we trusted said “Ain’t that just gorgeous!? Ain’t it the most beautiful thing ever!? I could sit here and look at it forever!”
Now, if we were to discuss this from a true logical standpoint, we might explore our preoccupation with “beauty” in the first place. Some have argued it’s just biology. I tend to agree, and also think that as reasoning beings we have and continue to use our reason to extend and recognize the definition beauty based on factors besides the biological and drifting into the emotional.
For instance, I might put more value on, and hence think it more beautiful, an apple I grew in my own garden, caring for it, helping it survive the elements, than I would an apple I buy at Costco.
To see this at work, ask any parents about their kids. They will tell you they are the most beautiful, intelligent, lively, and most adorable of any they have ever seen.
I, on the other hand, just see a future drain on society.
That said, interesting post, as usual.
Dear Disperser… your comment could be subject of a new post, entitled how the idea of beauty might be manipulated or determined by many factors.
You are right when you say that there should be certain consensus… otherwise it would be difficult to understand what Beauty… and to accept a definition, in terms of Language…
Also, I believe that definitions are socially built… and might vary according to different cultures… I don´t want to be misunderstood so i won´t give examples keeping in mind racial features… But I bet that you might get the idea..
Furthermore, there are also an inductive reasoning, I guess… that means going from the particular to the general… After coming across many examples, one can define what beauty is..
I can´t say if the is an absolute Idea, as Plato believed… but despite the inductive factor… I think that there might be an a priori idea of the concept itself…
If beauty determines beautiful things or if the reverse applies is another difficult issue… But as I studied in Philosophy classes… By saying yes to the first option, we would be platonic… by agreeing with the second one, we would be aristotelian.
Bottom line… I think that there are objective, subjective and social elements involved here…
Thanks so much for the excellent comment… It was a pleasure to read it and to think the post over and over again… a few times…
All my best wishes. Aquileana ☀️
Oohhh si, los conceptos de belleza occidentales en los que “casi” nos seguimos basando hoy día… Saludos Aquileana!
Coincido Teresa, aunque algunas cirugías estéticas que tienden a aumentar volúmenes de ciertas partes del cuerpo, serían estrictamente algo que atentaría contra el ideal de la proporción… No digo siempre, sino en algunos casos… 😀
Un abrazo grande. Aquileana 🌟
Así es Aquileana, en realidad, sí atentan contra el ideal de la proporción, aunque queden “bien”, que no es en todos los casos, y en muchos de plano deforman! a poco no? Un abrazo y bonita semana. 🙂
I’ve always believed that beauty is relative and very much in the eye of the beholder and sometimes is what is accepted as beautiful in a particular culture. I also think our view of beauty is learned and only idiosyncratic minds can see beyond that.
Dear Fatima… it seems we share the same point of view with regard to this topic…
Good to read your thoughts… I much appreciate your comment… sending love and best wishes!. Aquileana 😀
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Beautiful post, as always Aquileana… Take care x
Thank you very much dear Marco… I truly appreciate it… Best wishes!. Aquileana 😀
The beauty of it all. Survival of the fittest, “golden” proportions, and symmetry. Environment, peer/social guidance, DNA influences – which is the strongest? Complex enough to get lost in, but that’s the beauty of it all? Intriguing post
Complexity is beautiful, as far as it is ordered, I am guessing… and that according to the ideal definition of Beauty…
Also, I agree with you with regard to certain genetics being involved here… I am now thinking in how these ideas were assumed by the Nazis to try to create a perfect, golden arian race…
But I think I could be taking it too far…
Sending all my best wishes, Philo… thanks for dropping by. Aquileana 💫
Great first sentence there. Research reveals even pre-verbal children show preferences for symmetry in faces. That “Golden Proportion”traces back a long way.
Notice the recent articles over concerns parents are now able to tweak certain genes to product desired attributes and “designer children”?
Any worry that like managed/manipulated animal breeds and plant varieties has created animals/crops that have weakness not seen in the “heritage”/original old breeds?
Somebody better be dropping bread crumbs so we can find out way back out of the forest.
Always enjoy chatting. (Will be back to see what’s new shortly…dog wanting her walk)
Great comment… I am with you… when it comes to the Golden Proportion there are many layers and traces… Plus, that golden number is related to the so called fibonacci sequence – https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fibonacci_number – which appears both in Natural domains and artificial creations … as to Cloning and other ways of improving race, through Genetic Manipulation… I am guessing that if these mechanisms were essayed by nazis in the beginning of 2oth century… It must be a fact, more than a possibility nowadays… But if it exists, probably we would never know… and if it doesn´t it is just because of certain Hippocratic commandments and at times implicit medical ethics rules..
Best wishes to you, Philo… Aquileana 😀
Excellent post Aquileana.
I like your balanced approach between the subjective and objective qualities of beauty. This line particularly caught my attention: “Beauty couldn’t be entirely subjective—that is, if anything that anyone holds to be or experiences as beautiful is beautiful then it seems that the word has no meaning, or that we are not communicating anything when we call something beautiful except perhaps an approving personal attitude.”
As always, I learn much from your writing.
Dear Dave… that excerpt could have perfectly been a Socratic point in A Platonic dialogue… It also caught my attention and I found it accurate…
Although, even by inductive reasoning we can assume that there is an universal, thus objective, concept of Beauty… and by that we are saying that after seeing too many beautiful things we get to define Beauty.
Sending all my best wishes. Aquileana
I’m a Social Constructivist, myself, and agree with your conclusion. We don’t think everything is a Social Construct, in its entirety. But for humans pretty much everything is shaped by culture, and Socially Constructed in that way.
You are quite right… not everything is entirely a Social Construct, but, despite it, most things, facts and beliefs are.
Thanks for dropping by and for your clever comment, dear Georgia!. All my best wishes!. Aquileana 😀
Aquileana I don’t think I shall try the URL for the measurement of beauty. As my years have gone on I have come to believe strongly in that as we believe in the beauty of our true self we exude more beautiful energy to the world. It is a subjective thought to be sure. Thank you for your thought provoking post. As always so thoroughly researched and eloquently written.
Hi there Sue… there is a very important subjective component but there are also an objective factor here… Otherwise it would be difficult to define beauty, in terms of Language…
I don´t think you need to do the test as you already know the results, though… Ha 😀
I am a little bit behind but will visit you soon… Sending Love and all my best wishes!. Aquileana 💫
No need to feel you have to visit Aquileana. When you have time feel free to drop in. I never want readers to feel any pressure. Sending hugs and love your way. Xo
Dear Sue…. I am quite behind-… days are so warm lately that I only sign in wordpress very early in the morning or quite late at night… For worse, I created a Instagram account which also demands time… haha— so … It is taking me more time than usual… Anyhow You know you´ll have me there, soon or later… Hugs and thanks for understanding. Aquileana ⭐
Woowwwww…Una entrada excelente Aquileana. Me gusta mucho Platón y su filosofía. De hecho,todo el mundo griego, con sus mitos y leyendas. Por ello me quedo sin palabras ante tus artículos, es asomarse y ver todo ese pasado y verlo vivo y palpitante. Tuyo es el mérito. Gracias.
Saludos
Muy agradecida por tus palabras… te espero con gusto en la próxima entrega… Gracias por conectar. Un abrazo. Aquileana ⭐
🙂 Otro abrazo de vuelta.
What a fabulously thought provoking post dear Aquileana! Beauty for me will forever be in the beholder but alas I fear we live in a culture that would prefer us to believe what we’re told. Have yourself a wonderful day! 🙂
Dear Joanne… well stated…. I definitely think that Society dictates the imperatives… not only when it comes to beauty… that´s why I think that Beauty is a collective, relative concept, as it might differ according to different contexts and moments, even in the same society…
Thanks so much for the great comment… I truly appreciate it… Sending Love and all my best wishes!. Aquileana 💫
Tremendo tema querida amiga, que me rindo ante la belleza. Besos y rosas y ramitas de oliva para su merced.
Querido Rub… muchas gracias por tus palabras, me alegro muchísimo de que te hay gustado la entrega… Ramos de olivos y un abrazo grande. Aquileana ⭐
A beautiful post, although I think Plato was totally wrong on beauty (see http://asifoscope.org/2013/05/10/on-beauty/).
It is also interesting that in those mythological stories, beauty tends to lead to trouble.
Dear Nannus… I truly enjoyed the reading… in fact the second time I stopped by that post… I left you a new comment… it is curious, but i found new elements to highlight, so I did so..
thanks so much for sharing… I also added the link to your post on mine..
Sending you all my best wishes!. Aquileana 😀
I agree with what Plato said, thank you Aquileana for your fantastic sharing. Regards.
I think that deep inside we are all platonic, somehow… 😀
Thank you very much. Sending love and best wishes!. Aquileana e 🙂
Absolutely agree my friend!
I don’t know much
that this looks
& sounds beautiful
to me 🙂
Thank you very much 💫✨🌟 I am more than glad to know that you found it beautiful… Sending you all my best wishes!. Aquileana 😀
🙂 Beautiful. And thank you Aquileana, I discovered you added me for quotes. Too sleepy tonight, but I’ll think about it.
In the context of your post, especially Plato’s theory on forms, I thought of an article I wrote some years ago that might interest you. It’s called ‘Science of the Heart,’ and is my site, see the page called OTHER. I introduce Ibn Arabi’s ideas on Creative Imagination. It’s a PDF that used to open, but if it doesn’t, just download – it’s safe.
… According to Ibn ‘Arabi, everything that exists in the sensible world is a reflection, a typification of what exists in the Spirit World. One and the same thing can exist simultaneously on entirely different planes (Hadarat). A thing may exist in the higher Hadarat but not in the lower and then again it may exist in all the Hadarat …
Ibn Arabi’s ideas on Creative Imagination seem to be influenced by Plato… as far as it is not the reverse… Who influenced who… I´ll have to check out his birth date to answer..
Also it is interesting that in the excerpt you quoted it says that …One and the same thing can exist simultaneously on entirely different planes...
According to Plato there are many levels of reality so to speak…
You can check that out in this graphic, from my post on the Theory of Forms. https://aquileana.files.wordpress.com/2014/04/cave30-e1396547661311.png?w=500
I will drop by your blog to check out the article soon… thanks so much for your clever and interesting comment.
Sending love and all my best wishes!. Aquileana 😀
He was later and would have been influenced by the classic philosophers. Thanks for the link. I’ll read more over the weekend.
The book below is what first excited me about Ibn Arabi’s ideas.
Corbin, H., 1958, L’imagination créatrice dans le soufisme de Ibn ‘Arabî, Paris: Flammarion; trans. Ralph Manheim, Creative Imagination in the Sûfism of Ibn ‘Arabî, Princeton: Princeton University Press, 1969; re-issued by Princeton University Press as Alone with the Alone, 1998.
… There is also an article re: Plato I found on the Beshara site (Ibn Arabi study centre) I found that might interest, must read it myself though.
http://www.beshara.org/principles/talks-and-articles/lectures-and-talks/plato-the-symposium-2.html
Thanks so much for the link on Plato´s Symposium… I will definitely check it out in depth… Sending Love and all my best wishes!. Aquileana 💫
I’d never heard the theory that our perceptions of beauty are based on our assumptions that beauty = health however it makes sense and would explain why our notions of beauty have changed over the centuries. Chubby women were at one time considered the ideal because they weren’t starving to death like so much of the population. Now that theory’s been reversed as our understanding of good health has changed. Interesting post.
Dear Jan…I quite agree with you…not only those assumptions are socially determined, but they tend to change in the same society, culture or environment as time goes by… The example you brought is quite eloquent… Probably beautiful ladies and mistresses would be considered at least fat nowadays… Bottom line… Beauty is a fad, and by being that she does not last…. 🙂 In this sense, I think that conceptions of beauty could be much like Fashion trends… Sending all my best wishes. Thanks so much for the interesting comment. Aquileana 🎇 ~
8.7? I would have given you at the very least a 9. 🙂
Always have liked Plato, kind of a philosophical merry-go-round. Interesting post.
Dear Maverick….I am blushing … ha… 🙂
Thanks so much for the compliment… very uplifting…
Love and best wishes to you. Aquileana 💫
Excellent post – ‘only because we have this conception of Beauty in the abstract’ stands out. I think I need to read more about these Forms, to grasp this concept better, but it’s late and my brain isn’t working so well. Thanks for this though, had me thinking. 🙂
Dear Stephen… I much appreciate the comment… It sounds a little bit abstract … but forms could be related to a general Idea which according to Plato comes before and above its copies or material things… Beauty comes before and defines beautiful things… if you see it in terms of language it is easier to catch it..
Sending all my best wishes. Aquileana 🙂
The fact that a number of people try to transform themselves through surgery or otherwise seems to show that there is some sort of model of beauty that we try and emulate or reproduce. Thank you very much for this post Aquileana. Very interesting 🙂
You are quite right… and it is an arbitrary model… but at the same time it is relative, as it might change as time goes by…
Thanks so much for sharing your accurate thoughts, dear Sylvie… Sending you love and all my best wishes!. Aquileana 😀
Very interesting and thought-provoking post. You have researched it well as always and the pictures and illustrations you have used are excellent. I think that is easier to judge the beauty of inanimate things using the rules set down by the ancient philosophers than to judge the beauty of people. Beauty often comes from within a person and shines out in their expressions. Perfectly symmetrical faces are not natural and can look almost sinister. I hope you have a great week dear Aquileana! Best wishes, Clare xx:)
Dear Clare…. your comment is not only accurate but certainly moving…
I agree with you when you say I think that is easier to judge the beauty of inanimate things using the rules set down by the ancient philosophers than to judge the beauty of people. Beauty often comes from within a person and shines out in their expressions….
It is interesting that among all the variables we can add the emotional ones, meaning those ones related to feelings… Also a person´s character is an important point… It defines human beauty as well, or at least is also one of its elements…
Thanks so much for sharing your thoughts… sending much love and all my best wishes. Aquileana 😀
Yes I agree with you. All my love to you and I hope you have a brilliant week! Best wishes, Clare xx
Hi Aquileana,
This is an interesting analysis of ‘beauty’ and its charm lies in the way you have connected it with Greek myths! While I have always believed that ‘beauty lies in the eye of the beholder’ its interpretation has been changing with the passage of time. Modern models are so different than the times of Plato. However real beauty lies in the heart. 🙂
Thanks for sharing a wonderful post dear friend. Stay blessed.
Dear Balroop… beautiful thoughts… You reminded me of St exupéry´s quote… the essential is invisible to the eye…
There are many types of Beauty,.. In that point I disagree with Plato… but, at the same time, there must be a common background or general idea which explains why we call something beautiful…
Maybe there are many elements, subjective and objective variables operating here…
Sending much love … thanks so much for your words… Aquileana ☀️
This is fascinating! Thank you for sharing this. I especially enjoyed the theory of forms.
Hi Nico…. Thank you very much … I am really pleased to know that you liked the post and enjoyed learning about Plato´s theory of forms.
Sending you all my best wishes!. Aquileana 😀
Enjoyed this very much. Very stimulating! 🙂
Thank you very much. I truly appreciate it.
Sending best wishes!. Aquileana 😀
Hello
Any images you use from other sources you need to reference properly. You have used my image of the Vitruvian Man without permission nor citation.
I would not quote the source of an image which is everywhere online… It is not strictly yours. You don´t own Leonardo´s drawing… I changed it though… not the image on your site, anymore…
And just for the record, you should think it twice before uploading contents online considering you don´t want those contents to be used… It is public domain once it is on the web, whether you like it or not. Aquileana ⭐ .-
Bravo! ❤
THANKS FOR BACKING ME UP…
Wow! What a fascinating post giving us lots to think about the interpretation of beauty. Perhaps that is why they say it’s in the eyes of the beholder? And your 3 quotes were a perfect fit for this article.
Thanks for including me in your ‘beauty’ post and I will be happy to post 3 quotes on the weekend.
Thank you my sweet friend. xo ❤
Hi there DG … I´d say that Beauty as a perception ought to be in the eyes of the beholder… but at the same time an universal idea or form of beauty should be present, or it would be impossible to define something as beautiful otherwise… The post points in that direction… the duality, so to speak..
Thanks a lot for the mention and trackback on yoru last post… It truly made me very glad… I appreciate it, my friend… all my best wishes and happy day to you. Aquileana ⭐ .-
Beautifully said my friend. And once again, I thank you for including me. It was a delight to be part of. ❤ xo
Another amazing post, Aquileana! I would hate living in a world without beauty, and it’s obvious it was and is a priority with our Creator. And I find it very revealing that most, if not all, people surround themselves with beauty in some form and/or try to create beauty themselves. Thanks for always sharing such fascinating information with us. Your posts are truly works of art and beauty themselves. Happy Thanksgiving to you and yours, my friend. Love and hugs, Natalie 🙂 ❤
Hi there dear Natalie… Thanks a lot for dropping by and for your comment!. I think you are quite right… we are surrounded by Beauty and if not we try to find it and even to create it somehow. Great insights… 🙂
All the best to you!, Aquileana 😀
What a lot of work, thank you very much. I loved the quote from Keats and your opening image. Where did that come from please.
Dear Susan… Thanks a lot for your comment!. I am glad to know that you liked the post and enjoyed the quotes from Keats.. As to the first image it is the same one I used on my post on Plato´s Symposium, based on a cover of this book… Sending you all my best wishes!. Aquileana 😀 🙂
Sometimes I quickly glance over a post then click like button as a show of respect. However I read every word of this fabulous post. Well done. Lots of love 🙂
I am humbled… Thanks a lot for your words. All the best to you!, Aquileana 😀
Aquileana, this is a wonderful post! You have nicely explained the term’beauty’ with reference to Greek mythology. One of your best posts this is… 🙂 ❤
I ma very grateful for the feedback… Your words truly mean a lot to me… All the best to you!, Aquileana 😀
Bonjour mon ami(e)AQUILEANA que c est beau l histoire j’aime
Une petite voiture roule vers toi
Pour t’apporter une grosse valise
De tendresse et d’amitié
Afin que tu puisses passer
Une agréable journée dans la joie
Et une très belle fin de semaine
Une cascade de bisous
Bernard http://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/439582chat.gif .
Merci pour tes mots poetiques, mon cher Bernard…
Je te souhaite une superbe journée. Bisous. Aquileana 😀
Fantástico, como siempre, tu post. Ideal para comprender un poco mejor el inabarcable universo griego.
Más que agradecida por tus palabras, querido José… un abrazo para vos. Aquileana 😀
Wow, so far, I see you are at least trilingual! Excellente! (sp)
I will be posting my quotes as soon as I understand how to do this! 😉 ❤
Peace, love & understanding,
Sherrie
Sherrie Miranda's historically based, coming of age, Adventure novel “Secrets & Lies in El Salvador” is about an American girl in war-torn El Salvador: http://tinyurl.com/klxbt4y
Her husband made a video for her novel. He wrote the song too: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P11Ch5chkAc
I will be checking out your blog and song… thanks for sharing…. all the best to you. Aquileana 😀
Abrazo 😀
This time you have not talked about mythology but about Plato’s philosophy on beauty.
A very interesting post for the rich and important references.
I’ve really liked.
A big hug
Yes, Newwhitebear, this is a more philosophical post but some examples coming from greek mythology, as well…
I am really pleased to know that you liked the post… Thank you. Sending you all my best wishes!. Aquileana 😀
My best wishes.
I am still confused. First, I wasn’t invited unless you call “getting a post from someone who posted 3 quotes” invited?
Also, do we reblog adding our quotes? Or post them here in the comments?
Thanks for your prompt reply!
Sherrie
Sherrie… I invited a bunch of bloggers which are the ones I referred to as nominees… But you can join any challenge that you wish starting it up from your blog… There are no strict rules when it comes to these sort of blogging prompts… I think you should do that, if you are interested in the challenge itself… Thanks so much for your visit… Sending best wishes. Aquileana ☀️
My angel, what a wonderful post. It must have taken you ages, it is detailed and different from your mythology posts. Of course I know you are a beautiful lady any way x
Hi dear She… yes, the research took me longer… but I think it was worth it at the end… Thank you very much for your words.
Sending much love and all my best wishes!. Aquileana 😀
Beautiful! Great read.
Thanks a lot for your comment. Sending you all my best wishes!. Aquileana 😀
Un grande abbraccio cara Aquileana
Abbraccio grande, cara Franca… Grazie per la visita. Aquileana 😀
❤
Fascinating, Aquileana – as always 🙂
Greetings,
Ulli
Thank you very much dear Ulli. I am wishing you a great week.
All the best to you. Aquileana 😀
🙂
Heureusement qu’il éxiste une traduction en français…. Merci pour ce partage. J’ ai particulièrement apprécié la théorie des formes et je trouve tout cela fascinant. Magnifique également les photos avec ces merveilleuses citations.
Bonne fin de semaine
Bisous http://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/990695P1000498.jpg .
Je te remercie du coeur mon, cher Georges.. je suis très heureuse de savoir que ce billet t´a plu… Bisous et bon mercredi. Aquileana 😀
Now since I am older I can honestly say that my definition of beauty has changed over the years.
Time changes it all.. I am with you in that statement… thanks for dropping by… All the best to you!. Aquileana 😀
Very interesting post, as always!
Best regards,
Dana
Thanks a lot, dear Danaiana… You are very kind and I appreciate your words!
All the best to you ⭐ Aquileana 😀
All the best to you!
A surprise from your usual offerings…and yet not. Well written, so well researched, Plato weighing in. I am with the scientists on this one. I always perceive well proportioned symmetrical bodies to be healthier.
You really do bring such a high level of capability and excellence, no matter what the topic you choose. Always such a delight to visit. Thank you.
Dear Johanna… I am beyond appreciative to read your feedback. I knew this post was going to be a different and harder for me to write it, but it seems it worked… I am very glad to know that you enjoyed the reading.
Thank you very… Sending you all my best wishes!. Aquileana 😀
It read smoothly…which I know means it was a big deal detailed piece of craftwomanship.
All the very best to you. XOX
Beauty…yeah, just what is beauty anyway? I just don’t believe that measurement. But I love the beauty in the pictures you use, and I’ve always liked da Vinci’s Vitruvian Man. And Michelangelo’s David…which if you look closely, is not symmetrical…in art we get to have our own taste, right? Is a symmetrical can of soup beautiful? Yeah, to some.
Good, clever points above dear Badfish… I am with you with regard to certain asymmetrical examples in classical art… and still I am not so sure if Michelangelo’s David is the case… Unless we make strict reference to his bottom parts… BUT in those cases there was consensus to depict them that way because of a a matter of religious tabu, so to speak…
As to the Warhol reference… I completely agree with you… Pop art is not beautiful… the artist coming from the avant-garde hated the classical ideas so they tried, by all means, to batter them down.
Thank you very much for dropping by!. Sending you all my best wishes!. Aquileana 😀
yeah, I guess you’re right. I was actually alluding to the size of his head (large) and his hands (also large). As for the lower parts…well, maybe it was just a cold day in Florence???
and you have a good day/week, also dear Aquileana!!!
Beautiful post, now is it subjective or objective? Maybe both!
I agree … I think it is both subjective or objective… All the best to you!, Aquileana 😀
Danke tolle Bilder und Text lieber Gruß von mir Gislinde
Thank you very much dear Gislinde 🌟 Sending much love and all my best wishes!. I hope you have a wonderful day, Aquileana 😀
Amalia, remember the other post on this theme? This post is much more thorough than all the previous ones, and goes straight to the idea. I like it more. As to the idea of beauty, I thinks it’s abscribed to the senses. The Fibonacci sequence proves it so:
Beauty is already inherent in nature, it’s a law, but was transcribed by humans via philosophers, and degenerated into the consumerist capitalist society’s standard. Plato, however, was simply obeying his senses. “Human, All Too Human”, a book by Nietzsche, seems to explore these ideas when tackling the existentialist dialogue. Beauty, therefore, the proverb first found in a work by Sir Thomas Overbury, 1613 says:
“All the carnall beauty of my wife, Is but skin deep.”-Sir Thomas Overbury
For me means that beauty is compassion, and indeed skin deep as Sir Thomas Overbuy said.
Great post Amalia! I love your flowers also!
However, I do retract from having said Nature’s beauty is a “law”, but rather an equilibrium:
“And all the carnall beauty of my wife,
Is but skin-deep, but to two senses known;
Short even of pictures, shorter liv’d then life,
And yet the love survives, that’s built thereon:
For our imagination is too high,
For bodies when they meet, to satisfie.
All shapes, all colours, are alike in night,
Nor doth our touch distinguish foule or faire;
But mans imagination, and his sight,
And those, but the first weeke; by custome are
Both made alike, which differed at first view,
Nor can that difference absence much renew.”-Excerpt from the poem “A Wife”, by Sir Thomas Overbury
http://allpoetry.com/A-Wife
Digression fully accepted… and that one is a beautiful poem, indeed… thank you…
Furthermore…. if we want to dig a little bit more. we also have a great sonnet by Shakespeare, number 130.. worth the reading.
Cheers, dear María Aquileana 😉
Yes, Shakespeare was said to be influenced by this poet
I got the other comment and replied… great, work it out… you too have a wonderful day.. I´ll drop by your blog soon… Aquileana 😀
Hi there María… the video on the Fibonacci sequence is awesome… I have read about it and even have a few posts on my blog… probably in Spanish… I am thinking that you should try to find Fibonacci patterns in flowers and trees and maybe write a post on it, alongside your photographs.. the so called helecho serrucho has the fibonacci sequence in its leaves, that I can tell you… also the shells and well… there are many examples on the web.
You are quite right as to Beauty being a little bit outraged by our society… the ideals of beauty might vary according to time and space… but I do believe as you do that there is an universal, abstract idea behind the several cases of particular beautiful things.
I saw you left me another comment and I will reply to it as well, when I get to it in the dashboard…
Thanks so much for the comments and thoughts. Sending all my best wishes. Aquileana 😀
Great idea Amalia, have a nice day!
That was a fascinating discussion, Aquileana. I love that the Greeks put so much importance on conversation, philosophy, discussion in the early days of Democracy. I fear we’ve lost that critical piece. And the Golden Ratio–nice clear decoding.
Hi there, dear Jacqui… such a great comment… I couldn´t agre more with you as to the Greek philoosphers and thinkers… for them knowledge was more an issue of debate than an absolute truth…
In fact the word, dialectics , which is an epistemological method has its origins by then… It was related to the word agon which meant something like quarrel of ideas…
Sending all my best wishes. Aquileana 😀
Bonjour chère Aquileana, merci pour ton magnifique billet et très intéressant.
Les illustrations sont superbes.
Je te souhaite une douce journée avec mes amitiés et bisous ♥
Salut chère… je te remercie pour ton commentaire, mon amie.. c´est toujours un joie de te lire… Gros bisous et bonne journée… Aquileana 😀
Fascinating and informative, as always, Aquileana! Much love to you. Lauren ♥
Thanks a lot for dropping by and for your comment, dear Lauren!. 🙂 I am really pleased to know that you liked the post… Sending you love and all my best wishes!. Aquileana 😀
Another fabulous text Aquileana. I so look forward to your posts, surely some of the most beautiful! Much love, Holly
I am very grateful to read your feedback, dear Holly… coming from you it means a lot.. Love and best wishes!. Aquileana 😀
Such a lovely comment. Thank you Aquileana !:)
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An exceptionally well-researched post about Beauty according to Plato. Worth the read if you enjoy history, philosophy, and deep thought.
I much appreciate the reblog, Jane… sending love and best wishes. Aquileana 😀
Great writing, Aquileana. I agree with The Wise that proportion and beauty go hand in hand – balance is beautiful in everything. Thank you for sharing, I love your sense of humor and profound knowledge. Have a wonderful weekend!
My best wishes
Inese 🙂
Dear inese… I second your statement… beauty is usually related to certain features, such as symmetry and balance , as you well know, is the necessary key… I loved your comment,.. thanks so much. Love and all the best to you!, Aquileana 😀
Yes, it is why the world is so perfect 🙂
All the best to you too!
Your posts are always so thoughtful, beautiful, and inspiring! 🙂 Thank you! ❤
Thank you very much dear Eva… 🙂 . I am happy to know that you enjoyed this post.. All the best to you!, Aquileana 😀
All the best to you always! ❤
De todos es conocido que la belleza entra por los ojos, pero si entiendo que los patrones de belleza no son los mismos para todas las personas.
No obstante la mitología ya nos muestra el predominio de lo bello entre los Dioses, lastima que la belleza también está asociada a la maldad.
como siempre un articulo superior.
Un abrazo.
Coincido con la totalidad de las palabras… Y agregaría, que muchas veces, sin caer en una pseudo interpretación mitológica, las afroditas y adonis de nuestros tiempos también pueden pecar por exceso… Egolatría, segregación, orgullo y otras pequeñas -o no tanto- vanidades… Existen las continuidades, si sabés a lo que me refiero…
Un abrazo y muchas gracias por el elaborado comentario, Efe.
Aquileana 😀
Thank you Aquileana, a beautiful post in every way – subjectively, objectively, sideways etc … I will check out your link on quotes, am interested to see. Nature always provides such beauty – am looking out onto my pretty garden with thunderclouds against the tall green trees ..
Dear Susan… thanks so much for sharing your thoughts on the subject… I tend to think that Beauty is both objective and subjective … and that part its subjectivity is a general pattern which might differ according to time, space and societies…
Therefore it would be objective, subjective and relatively general, somehow.
I hope that you enjoyed Keats´quotes on Beauty…
Sending love and best wishes. Aquileana 😀
BUON WEEKEND 🙂
Tante grazie… un abbraccio, cara Simona. Aquileana 😀
Powerful and informative – thank you for another wonderful post and for much food for thought.
Thank you very much for dropping by!. I am really pleased to know that you liked the post… All the best to you Aquileana 😀
Dvě různé úrovně reality existují. Platon hovoří o dobrých důsledcích.
Mnozí vytrhnou z kontextu tak, jako já. Ohánějí se Platonem, používají citáty a humanita v reálném životě? UPADÁ.
Děkuji za krásná, módností nezkreslená fakta. Člověk by měl hledat, najít v nich pravdu a cestu dál. Děkuji Anna
Dear Anna …. I agree with you… reality has many levels and even plato considered so in his theory of Forms…
As to Beauty as a Social Construct, I am nodding in agreement… As Robert Crawley from Downtown Abbey would say…. “It´s a fad, it won´it last”…
Thanks a lot for dropping by and for your beautiful comment!. All the best to you!, Aquileana 😀
My love is a philosopher, and part of what I enjoy every semester is my love’s heightened mood as Plato and the discussion of Forms comes around. My love rather likes the notion and it makes the class preparation work that much cheerier.
The Golden Ratio is pretty much a myth, though. Experiments show humans aren’t more particularly attracted to things with its ratio, and the number is of almost no mathematical interest. It’s the numerical equivalent of a celebrity who’s famous for being a celebrity and nothing more.
Hi there dear Joseph…
I think that Plato´s theory of Forms is quite interesting as it has put in the seeds of further linguistic and epistemological theories and discussions…
On a side note, It is said that a single answer could define your philosophical general approach … in this case, does Beauty define beautiful things or does the reverse apply… If you think that the first option is correct, then you are supposedly platonic… in the second case, you´d be aristotelian…
As to the Golden Ratio, I get your points and think that you are quite right… I think that Angelina Jolie is said to be the most perfect face among celebrities and I have seen pictures of her online which showed that her facial features followed the ratio patterns of the Golden Ratio… Even though, she has many surgeries upon her, so it is questionable, somehow…
Thanks for the information and clever approaches… Sending all my best wishes … Aquileana 😀
This is one of the most fascinating posts you have written Aquileana. To understand beauty is to understand ourselves ~ Over time the concept of beauty flows from one idea to another, and I think as we grow older in life we find beauty in just about everything (our idea of beauty expands – beyond the simplified outward beauty).
“…What do all of these beautiful things have in common? To know that is to know Beauty.” And I suppose that is why when we grow older, we begin to see beauty in a much greater glory as we understand life around us better. The struggle to obtain beauty has been at the core of many conflicts and jealousies over time, and not quite sure if any side ever wins. Wishing you well ~
Dear Dalo…
I love your comment… I certainly agree with you when you state that To understand beauty is to understand ourselves … I also think that you are quite right as to how Beauty and our perception of Beauty changes over time… When we grow older, our idea of Beauty probably changes and become more spiritual and pure, so to speak…Your comment adds new layers to the post so I thank you very much for it…
Love and all the best to you!, Aquileana 😀
“Its beauty is there independently of a perceiver, and its being beautiful or not does not depend upon personal evaluations”, that’s exactly how true beauty can be defined. Great post as always!
That is an eloquent excerpt, dear Inese… thanks so much for highlighting it…I think that Plato got it right, there… Personally, I think that objective factors are the most important ones to define Beauty and then we can add the more objectives variables… But at the end, even when I think that Beauty could be socially defined… I am quite sure that statistically certain people would be considered beautiful for almost everyone… Anyone would say that David Beckham or Angelina Jolie are not beautiful… All my best wishes and thanks for the visit. Aquileana 🙂
Hi, hope you are doing great. Thank you for the nice post. hugs 😃
Thank you very much for the words and good wishes… All the best to you. Aquileana 🙂
Hi Aquileana,
I agree with Plato and your explanation of his theory of Forms that the beauty of an object is there independently of the perceiver, but at the same time beauty is subjective and also comes from within, meaning beauty is only skin deep! Still, the right proportions of an object, whether it’s a human body, animal or an inanimate object determine its physical beauty. When it comes to humans, however, beauty from within is more important.
Thank you for your thoroughly fascinating post. Have a lovely Sunday! :) Cheers Irina
Dear Irina. I couldn’t agree more with you… I think that Beauty could be defined in a both, an objective and subjective way, depending on other circumstances as the person or beholder and the society,-in time and place- we are considering….
Thanks so much for you clever and well penned comment… sending love and best wishes… Oh … And I hope that you are getting ready for warmer days over there… Aquileana 😀
Yes, it’s getting warmer…40 C the other day…cooler today luckily. Have a lovely weekend, dear Aquileana. 🙂 ❤
Excellent… it is getting warmer here as well… but not that much as there…
Sending love and best wishes, dear Irina… have a great week. Aquileana 🙂
The same to you, dear Aquileana 🙂
Hi Aquileana, how beautifully you have elaborated on the various aspects of beauty! Interestingly the mathematical concepts of symmetry, proportions, the Golden ratio, Fibonacci series fit into the concept of beauty. The Greek myths of beauty are very interesting too.
I accept the Quotes Challenge and will take it up in the coming days.
Have a lovely weekend.
Dear Somali… thanks for dropping by and for highlighting the elements of beauty, as it was conceived in Ancient Rome and Greece, and later on, with more precision during the Renaissance…
I am really pleased to know that you liked the post…
All the best to you… have a great day, Aquileana 🙂
Thank you Aquileana. You too have a great day. I have taken up the quotes challenge given by you. Here’s the post with quotes http://wp.me/p3RQLD-2ev.
Thanks for joining … I am going to check it out right now… Best wishes to you. Aquileana 🐼
Thank you Aquilieana. 🙂
Sempre particolari, e di grande interesse, i tuoi articoli mitologici
Buon inizio di settimana e un saluto
Apprezzo molto le tue parole, cara Silvia… un abbraccio et buona Mercoledì. Aquileana 😀
He disfrutado con tu monumental post, Aquileana. Primero con la impecable lección de filosofía platónica, los mitos sobre la belleza. Me parece muy aguda también tu argumentación sobre la naturaleza de lo bello. Con un interesante término medio aristotélico entre la subjetividad y la objetividad como ejes de la discusión.
Me pregunto si quedarán todavía locos platónicos en un mundo en el que todo es fugaz, de consumo rápido, hipersubjetivo y relativo… En mi caso no tengo dudas de que la belleza es real. Entre otras cosas porque la contemplo periódicamente en este maravilloso blog (no me atrevo a medir la simetría de mi rostro por si me llevo una decepción!). Un abrazo fuerte y lleno de admiración, Aquileana.
La belleza es una omnipresencia de la muerte y de la seducción, una tristeza sonriente que discernimos en la naturaleza y en todas las cosas, una comunión mística que experimenta el poeta; una expresión de ella puede ser tanto un cubo de basura sobre el cual cae un rayo de luz como una rosa en el arroyo.
Charles Chaplin
Querido José… un comentario inteligente y profundo…
Gracias por destacar el punto referido al balance en términos de Belleza, desde el punto de vista aristotélico… Es interesante que, considerada como virtud, la Belleza, también sea una cuestión de justo medio.. y que, por extensión la ética aristotélica también tenga un correlato estético…
En cuanto a cómo la Belleza se vuelve un Bien más en esta sociedad consumista… coincido con vos… Incluso es un servicio al que uno accede… Creo es un bastante hedonista el criterio con el que se la mide… y ello, sin dejar de preocuparme yo misma por mi apariencia, que conste.
En cuanto a la cita de Chaplin, diría que la concepción de Belleza que sus palabras reflejan es claramente Romántica… Muy buena cita.
Agradecidísima de leerte… Un fuerte abrazo. Aquileana 🌟!
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Even though I studied philosophy and mythology in college, I always learn something new from Aquileana’s posts which provide a fresh perspective on things. What’s your take on beauty folks.
Dear Kev… thanks so much for reblogging … I much appreciate it… sending love and best wishes. Aquileana 😀
Anytime! 🙂
Dear Aquileana, thank you for this wonderful, mindful post. And thanks for the fun parts too! Although I originally said it in response to something extremely negative, I still say “If you truly love someone, they are beautiful in your eyes.”
Have a wonder-filled, beauty-filled new week. Mega hugs!
Hi there, dear Tegan… I think you are right with that statement… Beauty is also a perception…. and even when there could be certain features which makes us say that someone is beautiful/handsome, there are many other variables that are purely subjective…
Character and inner features count, I´d say… Besides, when we love someone we even accept his failures as something which is part of the whole… we become more tolerant with the people we see as beautiful, somehow…
Thanks a lot for dropping by… sending love and best wishes … have a great wednesday. Aquileana 😀
Un passaggio per augurarti una bellissima serata 🙂
Tante grazie caro Omar… un abbraccio et buona giornata. Aquileana 😀
This is awesome….
Thank you very much, Chitra… All the best to you!, Aquileana 😀
8.7? An obvious 9.3 I would say 🙂
Aww… you make me blush, SwittersB… thanks so much fro those words… Sending love and best wishes!. Aquileana 😀 🙂
hello aquileana its dennis the vizsla dog hay i think my mama and dada totaly buy into this byootee mith thing!!! for instanse they keep saying its a gud thing saya is so kyoot otherwise they wood throttel her!!! i am pritty shoor they do not meen it tho!!! ha ha ok bye
Hi dear Dennis… as always you put a smile on my face.. I love your doggie language and your clever insights… Thank you very much . Sending love… Aquileana 🙂
Wow, so much to say about beauty! A captivating subject throughout the ages. And YOU are beautiful, Aquileana. 🙂
Hi dear Julie… I am very happy to know that you enjoyed this post… and thanks so much for your words… I am very humbled…
All the best to you!, Aquileana 😀
I haven’t read The Symposium yet, beauty is fascinating as a concept, one that is interpreted by each person uniquely. I always thought the ratio of your nose length to ear length was ideal my friend!
I forgot to mention that I like the direction of this post, it’s great to see you stretching your wings but unlike Icarus you are succeeding.
It is great to know that you believe so, my friend… thank you very much .. All the best to you!, Aquileana 🌟.
Dear Ste … The Symposium is great … you should read it… I am sure that you will enjoy it… If you do, make sure to check out my post on it… You can find it by clicking in the respective red words on the post above…self-promotion, ha… 😀
Thanks so much for your words… All my best wishes. Aquileana
Ps… the ratio mention made me laugh…
I have bumped The Symposium up my list now and shall have a look at your wonderfully (not to mention subtly) mentioned post.
I do like how you’ve explored one of the concepts that features in many myths, beauty, in relation to wider classical Greek culture. It’s interesting that Plato saw beauty as an ideal to be appreciated in ever more sophisticated ways while the myths paint it as a dangerous power that so often comes at a cost..
Interestingly, Socrates, who talks so much about beauty was famously ugly, poor fellow 😉
All the best, dear Aquileana.
Dear Sue , you are quite right… The platonic Form of Beauty seems to crash against those greek myths featuring beauty. very weel pointed out…
Thanks so much. All the best to you!, Aquileana 😀
beautiful in plato’s sense of the concept!! which I love! and yes! the price of beauty- discord and trouble. I love how you dissect the concept in the full spiritual and psychological ramifications!! I love the accompanying art and poetry!
Dear Cybele … I am very happy to know that you enjoyed this post… Beauty as a form is an interesting concept indeed… I think that, taking it to a more practical scope, it could even be related to language… Forms could be the general definition from which we can identify beautiful things or people… just some musings…
I will visIt you soon… thanks for dropping by… Sending love and best wishes. Aquileana ☀️
so true Aquileana- interesting as always!!
Lots of food for thought here on beauty from a philosophical standpoint. In our day and age, it’s hard to know though what natural beauty is given how prone we are to photoshopping photos we are. I edit most of my photos I post of my face, but your link to anaface just made me realize I have hardly any pictures where I look straight at the camera. I always seem to do a side glance.
Dear Jeri… I am glad to know that you enjoyed this post… you are quite right as to how beauty nowadays might be defined by certain relative values… which despite being relative seem to be generally consecrated, so to speak…
Photoshop and even cosmetic surgeries gives us samples of how a beautiful person is supposed to be…
I usually use light filters on my pics… they are good in Instagram… and so easy to manage them …
Thanks so much for dropping by and for sharing your insights… all my best wishes. Aquileana 😀
Coucou et bonjour AQUILEANA
Je ne suis guère présent
Je passe chez toi malgré tout
Pour déposer une petite pensée
J’espère être une petite note de gaité
Pour agrémenter ta journée ainsi que ta semaine
Même si les mots pleurent
Je te laisse un sourire
Pour apporter dans ton cœur
Un petit instant de bonheur
Bon début de semaine
Bisous d’amitié
Bernard
Merci mon cher Bernard… j´aime bien tes mots… bisous et bon mercredi… Aquileana 😀
It’s funny, my mom and I often argue about beauty. Someone she thinks is stunning, I think isn’t and vice versa.
Hi there dear Kourt… well that´s an undeniable fact then… beauty has many relative and subjective elements, at the end 🙂 … thanks for the comment… hugs and all the best to you. Aquileana 😀
Wow, so much to comment on here. First, I love the depth of this piece. You have dissected beauty in a form that not only matches your blog forum, but then takes it all the way into a task we can employ to use for our own features. I’m curios now to know my ratio. It probably isn’t anywhere near ideal.
Dear Renee… Thank you very much for taking time to read in depth and comment consequently…
Oh , and I am sure your ratio is neraly if not fully ideal, mind you…. sending love and all my best wishes. Aquileana 🙂
Always gorgeous Aquileana …profound ! I’ve missed you ….love, megxxx
Hi dear Meg… thanks so much for your words, as they mean a lot to me…
Missed you too … All the best to you. Aquileana 🙂
I believe that beauty is mostly in the eye of the beholder and so, it is subjective. Society as a whole gives guidelines as to what is beautiful, specially in todays society where there is so much emphasis on what is considered “beautiful” There are actual guidelines. Art finds itself re-editing such as in photography. Imagine, photos of nature photoshop of which we are guilty.
The one exception is natures natural beauty where groups of different thought tend to agree on it’s beauty when in it’s presence for the simple joy of it. It is primal and our connection to our universe and others.
This is only an opinion.
P.S. I had to read this post more than once.
Thanks so much for such a thorough and clever comment…
I agree with your statements as to how Society gives us guidelines as to what is beautiful… You are also right when you say that this tendance is more evident nowadays… consumerism and materialism are basal stones when it comes to Beauty as a social Construct…
Your points with regard to Joy certainly reminded me of Keats´quote… A thing of beauty is a joy forever. …
I am sending you much love and all my best wishes. Aquileana 🙂
Une étude tres intéressante sur la beauté . La beauté vue de façon objective par Platon est tres tentante mais je pense qu’actuellement nous sommes plus dans le subjectif et fortement influencés par les médias .
Bonne soirée
Bisous
Je te remercie pour ton commentaire… je suis d´accord avec toi…Je trouve que notre idée de beauté est évidemment influencée par la societe…. donc ell plus une construction sociale qu´une formule objective et universelle…
Bisous chère Gisèle… bonne soirée, aussi à toi. Aquileana 😘
Love your quotes on beauty. So much to say about beauty, but sometimes nothing needs to be said. A smile says it all… 🙂
Those words speak out loud… I think that you are right…. Beauty is probably a feeling, or, better said, a perception which leads to a feeling….
Love and best wishes, Aquileana 😀
Amazing how much can be interpreted and rationalized about beauty. Interesting post.
Thanks a lot for your words… I am pleased to know that you enjoyed the post … plus I loved your poem on the Nereids… Love and best wishes. Aquileana 😀
Plato… wait for my next Art Gown!
I am excited now, looking forward to it… sending much love and thanks for the tweet too, dear Resa. Aquileana ⭐ .
She’s going to be a Goddess & dedicated to you. ❤
Oh, wow… I can´t wait…. thanks so much, in advance… Virtual hugs from BA to Toronto. Aquileana 🌠
I see most Goddesses in draped white…but each has an accent color. What is the color of a Goddess yet to be presented on your blog?
Or a couple of colors, as I’m sure there are many Goddesses remaining.
I’m so excited!
Hi again… yes, me too… as to the question, I am in for blue or red… But white definitely works for the reasons you mentioned above, which are probably iconographic… and fully accepted.. Love. Aquileana 👋
⭐
After one of my facebook followers advised me that my beauty wouldn’t last perhaps I should do your beauty challenge lol. On a serious note I really enjoyed your post. I see you’ve gone on Instagram how are you finding it?
My best wishes 🙂
Charlotte
Beauty won´t last but it is relative as you can have 60 years and look gorgeous… Plus, in you case, you are far more than a very pretty face, so you can do the challenge for sure… But, just for fun… ha …
On another note, you should read Shakespeare´sonnet 130…
anyhow … I am very pleased to know that you liked the post… I am on Instagram and I am enjoying it… Are you there… Add me if so… or I ´ll add you and you add me back…
Deal… I´ll look for you over there, assuming you are…
Sending love and best wishes. Aquileana ° ★ ★*
I’m not on Instagram yet must look into it 👍🏻😘
I hope you do… you´ll love it… Best wishes and happy rest of your week… Aquileana 🎇
What a fascsinating subject. It’s amazing how much they were able to accomplish, and how much we still see of it today.
Hi there dear Jay… thanks so much for dropping by and sharing your insights… I am glad to read your words… Sending love and best wishes. Aquileana ★
Ciao Aquileana,
A wonderful and thoughtful post 😀 As I was reading I remember reading Plato’s theories on beauty and how he quantified the term in relation to life. And still valid to this day.
Thank you for sharing this post. I will have to go back and read his works.
Have a wonderful weekend.
Best wishes,
Luciana 😀
Good morning cara Luciana…
Thank you very much for sharing your thoughts and insights as to this topic…
You are right… Plato related Beauty to God, as Aristotle would later on do…
Hence, Beauty, God are linked to Ethics, and therefore to Life, as you have well highlighted…
I much appreciate your words and wish you have a great week ahead.
All the best to you. Aquileana 💫.-
Aqui,
I’m glad I made the time to read your lovely post on beauty. Your writing is brilliant and so I have enjoyed reading.
Much Love,
Ka
Dear Ka…
Thnaks a lot for your comment… I much appreciate your words as they mean so much to me… truly..
I wish you have a great week ahead. All the best to you. Aquileana 💫.-
Hmmm… different cultures have different ideas about what makes a beautiful face, thank goodness. Thanks for this very interesting post, Aquileana. A great topic.
Dear Cynthia…. I pretty much agree with you… That´s why I think that the subjective approach would be more socially determined than individually
defined, so to speak… the standards are undoubtedly social and cultural.
Thanks so much for dropping by and for sharing your standpoints…
All my best wishes. Aquileana 😀
this post is so beautiful, my dear friend ❤
I am really pleased to know that you liked the post… Thanks a lot, my friend…
Sending love, Aquileana 💫
Fascinating and informative. I just love the mythology, It’s amazing how the stories never fade away. 🙂
I think that some topics never go out of time… Even when Time might have a significant influence on Beauty… these myths could be a proof in that sense…
Thanks so much for the comment… All the best to you!, Aquileana 😀
I think that website didn’t rank you highly enough. It doesn’t account for the gleam of passion in your eyes. 🙂
That´s probably true… because it applies to any special sparkly feature we might have …
Thanks for the lovely comment, dear Bren… Have a great week… All the best to you!, Aquileana 😀
All the best to you, too! XOXO
BONSOIR gentille Aquileana
Mon petit passage du soir
Ce soir dans le ciel
Une étoile est née
Pour illuminer ta soirée
Lentement elle s’est déplacée
Et chez toi elle va s’arrêter
Pour t’éclairer et réchauffer ton coeur
En laissant une étincelle de bonheur http://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/58072350915.gif .
Bonne soirée suivie d une douce nuit
Gros bisous
Bernard
Merci beaucoup pour tes charmants souhaites, cher Bernard…
Bonne semaine…Bisous. Aquileana 😀
Hi.
I don’t think beauty is a property of a thing but rather a judgement call.
Consider this hypothetical scenario ; a first time visitor to our planet presented with the Mona Lisa will most likely just see a painting.
We think things beautiful because we have the benefit of cumulative similar or shared experiences. It is always important to recognise the influence of custom in things we claim to know or have reasoned out.
Dear Makagutu…I quite agree with you… I think that Beauty Is basically the result of a perception… Which then leads to a judgement call…
Even when we assume that there are objective elements which might allow us define Beauty… there are always personal variables which count, as well…
the subjective puzzle is completed by another relative piece, which is the social one… I would not include it among the the objective elements though, because it would be a way to legitimate certain perceptive imperialism, so to speak… Anyhow, the tools to define beauty are probably related to each particular State, or Society `Biopolitics´, as Michel Foucault would called them…
This concept, alongside Biopower (*), is related to the disciplinary and regulatory controls of the population… and even, ways of thinking and judgements calls might fall over its influence
Statistics are many of the mechanisms of the biopolitics… and even we could define Beauty as a social pattern… there are many features that define a normal concept of Beauty for whichever society in question…
—I am attaching a footnote below— see (*).
Thanks so much for the clever and accurate comment…
It is much appreciated… All my best wishes. Aquileana 😀
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(*) For Foucault, biopower is a technology of power for managing people as a large group; the distinctive quality of this political technology is that it allows for the control of entire populations. It is an integral feature and essential to the workings of—and makes possible—the emergence of the modern nation state and capitalism… (Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biopower)
Biopower is “an explosion of numerous and diverse techniques for achieving the subjugations of bodies and the control of populations” Michel Foucault The History of Sexuality Vol. 1: The Will to Knowledge. London: Penguin. p. 140 (1998)….Quote from the same link above-
You mentioned a very important aspect, the social aspect.
This has reminded me about sitcoms. Sometimes the audience laughs and you as the viewer laughs too even if what was said isn’t funny
Good point!!!.. I think those fake laughs are a proof of what we were discussing here… there are results of Biopolitical methods, believe it or not… unconditioned reflex, somehow conditioned….
I will be on your blog soon … I am looking forward to seeing what you are up to… Thanks again.. Best wishes, friend. Aquileana 😀
I have not been up to much lately as you have seen already.
I enjoy your blog. You, really, are quite the story teller.
If I take us back to my example of the Mona Lisa, to some, it would be just a painting. To some the most beautiful thing they have seen. Culture, custom and psychological environment play a big part in our lifes
*lives not lifes. Blame the gods
😆 Ha… All is fine… Thanks for everything, dear Makagutu! Best wishes, Aquileana 🌟
A beautiful post, Aquileana, and a very comprehensive look at the concept of beauty and how it is determined. The idea of the relationship between symmetry in form and beauty is very interesting. I’ve read about symmetry in a face as being the key to facial beauty, but I’ve never given much consideration to the rest of the body, although it does seem obvious now that you’ve mentioned it. I enjoyed reading the Greek myths you used to illustrate the beauty theme. Perhaps I’ll stay with the idea that beauty is in the eye of the beholder, and that it goes deeper than the surface features of an individual. Beauty within different nations and cultures also vary, which fits in with ‘the eye of the beholder’ idea. This is certainly a thought-provoking post, Aquileana, and I think I need to read it again … Thank you for posting it!
Hi dear Millie… I truly believe that classical elements of Beauty, such as order, symmetry and balance help us define Beauty at least from an objective standpoint…
Your insights with regard to how beauty might be an individual subjective perception are accurate … And I also agree with you when you state that it varies according to whichever culture or society we might be considering…
Thanks so much for your comment… I truly enjoyed it…
All my best wishes. Aquileana 🌟
This is a wonderful post, Aquileana, which presemts a comprehensive look at beauty and the way in which it is perceived. I’ve always considered that the conception of beauty is subjective and therefore being ‘in the eye of the beholder’. That different nations and customs vary regarding what is considered beautiful seems to fit that idea, too. There are many aspects of beauty in a person, especially regarding the saying that it is more than skin deep. The arguments you describe here have given me food for thought. I’ve read about the importance of symmetry in facial features, but have never extended that idea to anything else. Thank you for a really thought-provoking post, Aquileana. 🙂
Quite right, dear Millie… I agree with your statements…
I said above that Intersubjectivity defines Beauty and the Other’s look constitutes the world and the beautiful as objective. This is because the Look tends to objectify what it sees.
I am guessing that a cultural pattern of Beauty would be accepted as universal for a particular society… This might be an implicit process of validation… but it is interesting to think that among a certain group of similar people, Beauty is statistically defined, according to their own perceptions concerning what is said to be beautiful, somehow…
Finally, I would add that when it comes to a particular society, the patterns concerning Beauty could change as well… Time is an important factor in that sense…
Thank you very much for your clever comment… Sending love. All the best to you, Aquileana 🙂
Marvelously enjoyable, as usual.
Thank you very much… I really appreciate it… All the best to you!, Aquileana 😀
Interesting post as always,you have a beautiful heart,you have the right to negotiate the concept of beauty.What we find beautiful is a reflection of our personality and individuality,Anyhow,I strongly believe that truth is beauty and beauty is truth.Hugs to you my wonderful WP friend 🙂 Doda xxx
Dear Doda, Thanks so much for sharing your insights…. I am with you, Beauty is a complex concept which might include objective and subjetive judgements… Plus, there are also social and cultural elements involved when it comes to patterns which define Beauty….
Sending much love, Aquileana ☀️
Very interesting and informative
Thanks a lot… I truly appreciate your comment… Have a Great friday and weekend ahead… Best wishes, Aquileana ⭐️
Bonjour AQUILEANA
Je passe sur ton blog
Pour lire les nouveautés
Que tu as pu écrire
Tes poésies ou autres
Je te dépose une petite pensée
J’espère une petite note de gaité
Pour agrémenter ta journée
Je te laisse un sourire
Pour apporter dans ton cœur
Un instant de bonheur
Belle journée, bisous, Bernard http://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/426224gifamitie5gratuit.gif .
Merci pour les bons voeux, cher Bernard… 🔆
Je te souhaite un joli week-end… Bisous, Aquileana ⭐️
Yo no soy persona seria traduciendo, pero extraigo, que eso es muy raro, raro, raro. Algo no me cuadra, un simposio de tios…. ¿y se ponen a hablar del número áureo?,
Una de las 2, o las heteras no llegaron a tiempo, o el anfitrión era un rata y no llegó a un acuerdo en el precio con ellas.
y quizás, lo reflejaron en un libro para que quedara constancia, que algo pasó ajeno a sus deseos,
Del número áureo tenemos páginas en españolo (si lo sabré yo, la de abajo tiene + de 15 años)
http://www.anarkasis.net/pitagoras/200_aurea_introduccion/
y ahora la pregunta, porque todo el mundo habla de Vitrubio, pero ¿en qué pasaje dice usté que, dice Vitruvio del número áureo?, igual en el idioma de los hijos de la gran bretaña lo dicen en 26 – 27 = -1. pero en el mio es libro III, capitulo I
http://www.anarkasis.net/Vitruvio/index.htm#2398
(Yo me apuesto un bocadillo y una cerveza a que ninguno le ha comprobao la cita, póngalos a prueba en la próxima anotación juass 😀 😀 )
Un saludo
Indudablement te perdiste en la traducción… el hombre de Vitruvio es un dibujo de Leonardo Da Vinci que ilustra los radios de la proporción áurea en el hombre… Vitruvio fue un arquitecto romano que sentó los pilares de lo que fue el ideal de Belleza para los predecesores griegos, los romanos y en gran medida también para los artistas del Renacimiento. Lo de heteras y ratas, sinceramente no entiendo esas expresiones… En cuanto al número áureo es equivalente a Pi… El radio del círculo, y es 1, 61 e infinitos dígitos.Se considera que se aproxima a 1,62… Escapa a mi comprensión lo de 27-26 igual a -1… No es la idea del post citar académicamente a Vitruvio tampoco… Si vos lo hiciste, habrá sido quizás una elección tuya… Como las mías aquí…
Voy a mirar los enlaces, pero te pediría que si en algún momento dejas una opinión lo hagas con fundamento y respeto… Gracias. Saludos. Aquileana 💫
Quizás nos cueste entenderlo, pero un “simposio” no era un simposio si no había al menos una Hetera, Hetera era un título, muy pero que muy honroso y respetado entonces,
Aristófanes enemigo de Sócratos se mofaba es sus comedias “¿qué tal el simposio?- mal, la Hetera no era muy ocurrente, y se pusieron a hablar de filosofía… ” Platón, en el Simposio, pone a relatar de su boca y a filosofar contra natura a Aristófanes…
Los simposios degeneraron en “banquetes” en tiempos de los romanos, y la condición femenina en ellos ..más todavía, (exclavas y prostitutas), el término “rata” para los que gastaban poco, o que no gustaban de gastar invitando a los amigos, aparece (lo traducen) en el Banquete, y en el asno de Apuleyo
Al menos he discutido sobre el “Vitruvian man” x+1 vez, en que no está dibujado correctamente, ni de acuerdo a Vitruvio, ni de acuerdo al número áureo, y no lo está, porque no estudió a Vitruvio, No podía hacerlo porque no sabía latín, (toda una “verguenza” entonces en Florencia) simplemente lo hizo para ilustrar, junto a otras más que le hizo, como una caricatura, el códice de “la divina proporción” , a su amigo mentor y maestro Lucas Paccioli, que lo llamó a Milán para que pudiera comer de la pintura, y que lo estaba traduciendo del latin, códice recien encontrado entonces al que le falta una parte, (a lo sumo copió lo que le dió su maestro en toscano)
Usted cita “Symmetry also is the appropriate harmony arising out of the details of the work itself: the correspondence of each given detail to the form of the design as a whole. (Vitruvius, 26–27)”
de ahí la broma 26-27= -1, porque me costó mucho dar con la cita en el texto (que usted me desprecia)
Sin más, la dejo con quien no se miran las notas, porque yo adolezco de no lograr hacerla reir, ¡mala Hetera soy!.
Salud!
(¡Diosmio! que enfadada estoy, que veo caer los copos de nieve por su fondo de pantalla y no le deseo felices fiestas, a usted que estará tomando el sol, a 30 grados quizás, con un martini al lado rebosando hielo, mientras contempla a Cristina convertirse en calabaza… ..¡Ofuscada estoy por el lado oscuro de la fuerza!)
Me sobreestimás al pensar que podría saber qué significaba hetera… en el contexto del comentario anterior se daba para otra cosa, sobre todo por el tono que me resultó como de reproche…
Me parece genial que hayas buscado la cita… Pero se me ocurre que la hermeneútica bibliográfica puede diferir de acuerdo a ediciones o versiones… Salvo que esté canonizada… que por lo que vemos aquí no es el caso… En mi caso, es cierto desvirtúo el valor de la cita… lo Dejo para trabajos netamente académicos, de esos con nota al pie de página… no para un post muy general y dirigido a dar una idea con las mismas cualidades
Yo sí te deseo felices fiestas y sinceramente soy más de tomar una gasesosa o una cerveza que un Martini… Lo de Cristina Cenicienta me hizo reír… deseamos en estas tierras que el futuro del Cambio nos trate bien… Y espero que lo mismo suceda por las tuyas… Saludos y gracias. Aquileana . 🙂
Thankfully beauty is in the eye of the beholder and what one person believes in as beautiful another may not. Some may have the gift of seeing past the beauty of looks and see through to the more important state of a beautiful soul and heart. Great post Aquileana.
Such a Great comment, dear Kath… You reminded me of Saint-Exupery’s quote: “The esential is invisible to the eye”… You are right… Beauty is also an Inner core…
Thanks for dropping by… I appreciate it very much….
Love and best wishes, Aquileana 💫🌠
I kept thinking during reading this, even tho my statement is rather dumb. Question being, “Who says that ugliness in Art cannot be beautiful?”
You are right, Ted… Beauty is a very relative concept, mainly when it comes to Art…. I agree with you… Thanks for sharing your thoughts…
All the best to you. Aquileana 💥🔆
I have gotten caught several times in the idea of Objectivity as it is expressed when the Artist defines exactly the image and it’s meaning where the audience must stand in awe of the work. That is fun to goof with, but in the end it is subjective, folks will see and believe what their minds conjure.
I agree with you, Ted … even we accept there is an objective consensus when it comes to Beauty… its is mainly a judgement call… thus, the relative and subjective side is not only very important, but unavoidable …Thank you… sending best wishes for your weekend ahead. Aquileana ★🌟
I love this post…. I make it a point to find beauty everywhere and in everyone. I would love if you could do a post about the Greek Mythology of Lydia. I have read some but you are a great teacher on the subject.
Hi there…. Thanks for dropping by and sharing your thoughts,., I also try to find Beauty everywhere, It is not that hard if we are open to it, I guess…
I have never read about Lydia, and will definitely keep in mind your request.. Sending all my best wishes. Aquileana 🌹
Fascinating information of the form of beauty. I cannot help but conclude that all is beautiful, unless we decide it is not. Best wishes, and seasons greetings to you Aquileana, you have been an important encourager to me during my first year of blogging. Thankyou x
Thanks so much for such a deep comment… You are quite right, Beauty is result of a perception, after all… So, your words make perfect sense to me…
I am wishing you a great Christmas and New Year ahead… I am glad we are connected here and enjoy your posts as well… Love and all my best wishes!, Aquileana ☀️🔆
Thank you for replying to my comment, I wish you a Lovely Christmas and New Year. I look forward to your posts and our conversations next year. x
Hi there…
I had a lovely Christmas Eve and I hope yours was great too – I am looking forward to more exchanges during the upcoming year.
Sending love and best wishes. xoAquileana 😀
Te he nominado a un premio en https://byluis7.wordpress.com espero que te guste
Mucahs gracias por nominarme, querido Luis… A la brevedad lo publicaré en mi blog… Un abrazo para vos. Aquileana 🐱
ME HA ENCANTADO ESTE POST, LOS EXPLICAS GENIAL, UN ABRAZO
Where these ‘likes’ go, i don’t know. Anyway, it is restored now 🙂 Have a good day! 🙂
Hi dear Inese… thanks for dropping by again to leave your like… you are awesome, my friend… love and happy week ahead to you. Aquileana ⭐ .-
Hugs! xx
Aquileana:
This was a fascinating post about Greek philosophy regarding beauty. I found it particularly interesting that Plato’s teacher was a woman named Diotima who spoke of the soul’s progress toward ever-purer beauty, from one body to all, then through all beautiful souls, laws, and kinds of knowledge, to arrive at beauty itself. This is quite profound. I wasn’t sure if this was similar to Pythagoras and his concept of reincarnation.
Thank you for sharing your wealth of knowledge on both Greek philosophy and history.
Regards,
Linnea
Dear Linnea…
You are quite right when you highlight a possible connection between the soul’s progress toward ever-pure beauty, as shown in the dialogue The Symposium and Plato´s theory of the immortality of the soul, which appears mainly in the dialogue Phaedo…
As a matter of fact, the Theory of Reminiscence linked Plato´s Forms with the Immortality of the Soul… Hence, according to him, we have mere memories of the Pure Forms, but we get to recognize their copies, meaning the things that represent the general Form or Idea.
That´s why the purest soul remember better and has a more vivid approach when it comes to Essences/ Forms…
Besides Forms are usually related to the Idea of God, wich is not only a moral concept but an epistemological aim…
thanks so much for dropping by and sharing your insight concerning this topic… All the best to you. Aquileana ⭐
Reblogged this on Apollo's Raven and commented:
The following is a Reblog from Aquileana which is quite profound regarding Plato’s Concept of Beauty. Hope you enjoy!
Thanks a lot for sharing this post on Apollo´s Raven, dear Linnea… I truly appreciate it…
I hope you have a greta week ahead… Sending you all my best wishes!. Aquileana 😀
I find Plato’s theory of forms–along with Plato’s Cave–among the most vibrant of ancient philosophical constructs.
I quite agree with you.. Furthermore, Plato’s theory of forms laid the foundations for many future linguists theories…
Thanks so much for dropping by… All my best wishes. Aquileana 🌠
As always, an incredible post! myself have never much been fascinated with beauty and was always taught when little to completely disregard it.
Dear Oloriel… thanks so much for your words… I much appreciate them and I am glad to know that the reading shed light on this topic… I agree with you, being an aesthetic issue one might have not imagined there were so many layers to explore..
Sending love and best wishes. Aquileana 🍀
Very informative post. To me who is an old ordinary man, the old saying is valid: “Beauty is in the eye of the beholder”. Many times when seeing representatives of beauty contents, the one who is selected to be the most beautiful, is not the most beautiful in my eyes.
Nature hides beauty and it waits us to find it. Some find it, some don´t.
Happy new week.
Thank you very much dear Sartenada… I much appreciate your thoughts… Besides, I agree with you, there is undoubtedly a subjective element here, as Beauty could defined as a perception… Sending you love and all my best wishes!. Happy week to you too. Aquileana 😀
What fun. I’ll have to try the beauty rating site.
It was fun to try it… I hope you enjoy it if you do… Thank you very much for dropping by!. All the best to you!, Aquileana 😀
Here reading again. You are so incredible. Also what is your Instagram name? I’d love to follow you there too beautiful star🌟🌟
Hi there SouldierGirl Star ⭐️, thanks so much for dropping by again and for following me on Instagram… I did too, of course… Great to connect there. Love and best wishes, Aquileana 🌹🔆
I love to find you wherever I can- you are so wonderful! Love to you too sweet and beautiful Aquileana ❤️💘
I think the tiny bit I learned of Ameslan gets at Plato’s idea of the thingness of things: A chair is a chair: A thing upon which to sit. The sign for beauty bursts into flower. More modestly made, it signifies pretty.
Plato likely had a more specific concept–a more ethnocentric concept–of Beauty in mind than this general concept, but what you pointed out Science has learned about symmetry, and what just folks feel about what we feel–that someone or some thing (object or scene) either has Beauty or doesn’t–is, I think, closer to that Beauty essence that the Ameslan sign conveys.
I am not familiarized with Ameslan, but I will google that later on… It seems his idea of what Beauty is was far less presumptuous than Plato´s…
What I can tell you though is that Plato´s conception of Beauty has to be with it being a general essence or form and their derived- beautiful things- mere imperfect copies.
The mathematical side would come firstly and among greeks with the pythagoreans…
Thanks for the interesting contributions here… Merry Christmas and all my best wishes to you. Aquileana 🎄
Oh, my apologies! Ameslan is the English name for the deaf sign language.
I feel grounded when I know what Plato and Plotinus wrote about philosophy and mythology.. I studied these teachers in the 1970s and 1980s before studying mythology. I didn’t remember details about Plato’s discussion of Beauty and love how you illuminate and digest the ideas and make them accessible. Thank you. Nature’s beauty-in-form guides me to a wider resonance/opening/awakening of Soul. The visibly beautiful lead me to the Invisible.
Dear Elaine… Thanks for such a beautiful comment… I love your statement The visibly beautiful lead me to the Invisible and your thoughts regarding Nature´s beauty…
On a side note, Plato developed most of his ideas concerning Beauty mostly in The Symposium… but also in a less detailed way in Phaedo and Republic… I truly recommend you Symposium… its is not that long and one of my favorite dialogues… Sending much love and wishing you have a great 2016 ahead… I am looking forward to reading more of your great posts… xo Aquileana 🌟.-
A bit of beauty is always welcome, thank you for sharing your post to us. OiB.
Thanks so much for your comment… I much appreciate it… All my best wishes to you. Aquileana ☀️🌹
What a great post!! Left me curious to see what the results of the Anaface will be. Lovely quotes too, coupled with the pictures it gives some food for thought ☺
I´d say that you should give it a try.. I enjoyed taking that test… Thank you very much for your words… I am really pleased to know that you liked the post…
Sending you all my best wishes!. Happy 2016 ahead. Aquileana 😀 –
Best wishes to you too!!
Such detail and information on this post. Well done. You can tell you put a great deal of thought into your writing and it was very informative as well as thought provoking.
Thanks so much for your words as they mean a lot to me… I am very please to know that You enjoyed the reading… All the best to you for 2016. Aquileana ⭐️
Mi querida A. (todas mis notas para vos comienzan del msimo modo, es un sello de la casa):
Esta es la ¿cuarta? ¿quinta? vez que recorro este post. Me parece no sólo magnífico sino muy completo. Cuando leí Forma pensé en Aristóteles y su Metafísica (nos han machacado con ella en Filo Antigua). Como digno discípulo de su maestro, continúa la idea de la parte como representación de algo superior (no faltó el filósofo cristiano que lo acomodó para que lo Divino resulte ser el Dios de la Biblia. en fin.. estos muchachos…). La belleza física es una expresión (una más) de esa Belleza (así, con mayúscula). Por eso digo, que más allá de los algoritmos que evalúan la simetría de tu cara, sólo con verte (no con visión de rayos X sino veret más allá de la carcaza) sé que sos hermosa. 🙂
Besos de ¡feliz viernes!
V.
Querida Vero…
Hacía tiempo que quería escribir un post que de alguna manera amalgamara diferentes mitos bajo un rótulo o tema general… Pensando, noté que la Belleza podía ser uno de estos puntos generales…
Y así fui armando el post… Me gustaría encontrar más lugares comunes en distintos mitos con otro pretexto… con tiempo, lo haré nuevamente.
Respecto a Aristóteles, es interesante que luego, durante la Edad Media se haya convertido en bastión filosófico de la escolástica… Esa Belleza a la que hacía mención posiblemente tendrá entonces los atributos Universales y la perfección del Ente del cual los entes son consecuencia… Aristóteles lo llamaba Primer Motor Inmóvil… Luego sería identificado con Dios…
Un legado invaluable, creo yo… al menos desde el punto de vista doctrinario.
En cuanto a tu valoración final… Niña Veneno se sonroja… 😀 Gracias, hermosa. Un beso grande… Aquileana 💫
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As always, she provides a stimulating consideration of her subject. Weighing both the Platonic, objective, and formal qualifications of a concept of Beauty against that of the subjective response of perceived beauty, she explores what it means to call something or someone “beautiful.”
To add a note from an anthropological perspective–the seemingly objective beauty standard is itself fluid. This differs based on a host of criteria which have collective meaning only in a particular cultural sphere, though they may hold other meanings separately and elsewhere. My point is that there is nothing in the human realm that can be said to be either pure or isolated. Everything we believe is touched and shifted by ideas from another culture, another value system. It’s simply a matter of seeing the bones of our cultural architecture.
Thank you very much for rebbloging and for the thoughtful and clever introductory words…
Sending you love and all my best wishes!. Aquileana 😀
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You are most welcome… Thank you very much for connecting, Fonz…
Sending you all my best wishes!. Aquileana 😀
Thank you so much, the same back to you 😊
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Thanks so much for sharing, dear Paul… Your support is highly appreciated … Much love. Aquileana 💫
You’re very welcome my friend:) Paul
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Thanks a lot for sharing. Sending you all my best wishes!. Aquileana 😀
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Articoli inediti, e ricchi di notevole contenuto, che è ungran piacere leggere
Buon martedì e un sorriso, cara,silvia
Ti ringrazio di cuore, carissima Silvia… Sono contenta che ti sia piaciuto…
Buon Mercoledì. Un bacio. Aquileana 😉
Buongiorno Aquileiana, sono davvero preziose le tue pagine, vivi uno splendido giorno, a presto, silvia
Mi conforta il tuo commento … Grazie mille, cara Silvia. Buon giovedi. Un abbraccio. Aquileana ☀️
A presto rileggerti, un sorriso
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Why doesn’t anyone recall Apollo being the messenger of the gods???
Hermes is known to be the messenger of Gods… But you are quite right, Apollo also might be considered as being so…. he was a very important God when it comes to Oracles and other tasks, involving divine assistance
Thank you. All the best to you, Aquileana 🙂
Very Interesting and enjoyable as usual. I love all the heart and soul that go into your posts and I will have to definitely read this again. I guess I walk away from with with the questions… if we were not taught beauty and if all men were blind, what beauty remains except that of what one can touch.
Thank you very much for dropping by and sharing your thoughts… I agree with you… Beauty is complex, and most times it is a subjective value, somehow… Hence, It is quite difficult to find an universal/general definition…
Sending you all my best wishes!. Aquileana 😀
Very true! Sending best wishes back to you, hugs~
Haha..anaface generates random results each time but it’s fun 😊😊 I like to believe as Plato said that one who is beautiful inside can see the beauty in others…sometimes plain n ordinary to the world May bewilder certain eyes but yes it won’t be known as beautiful unless recognized..Great post as always dear 😊😍 xx
It could have been Aristotle as well… not sure… 🙂 But what I can tell you is many sources say that Aristotle stated that Beauty was in the eye of the beholder… meaning that different people could look at certain objects- or people- and say they were beautiful, while others would say otherwise… I believe that to a cetain extent we call certain people beautiful… but the idea of what is beautiful changes… and also it depends not only on each subject… But on the culture/country… However there is a general “idea”, which we might all share…. 😀 Thanks so much for your visit and interest 😉 Means so much ❤ Wishing you an excellent thursday ahead. Aquileana 🙂
Well said dear..very true..it is always great to be here..Thank you too for your incredible blog…Love to read your posts (one at a time) I wish you a great and beautiful day ahead !!!! Much loves xo 😘🌸
Thanks so much for your words… I am so glad we met in Blogland 🙂 Have an awesome day!. Love & best wishes. Aquileana😉
same here dear, You too, Have a good day/night (probably night) 🙂 Lots of Loves! xx
Thanks so much… Happy weekend ahead ⭐ Aquileana 😉
You are always welcome dear 😊
The Greek, the Romans, the Persians, the Great library from Alexander the Great … mythical wonders of the world … where have they all gone? Where have they ended? Look at these 3 great nations now ! Pittyfully due to greed! We are our own downfall.
That´s so true!… Sigh… I guess there could be an explanation associated to the the pendulous characteristics of History. Apogee and doom, cyclically appearing in many cases. Thanks so much for dropping by and for sharing your thoughts… sending best wishes. Aquileana 🙂
It is the least I can do! You too have a wonderful blog, only I try to be truthful so many times and as often as I possibly can , only your posts seem to be long … very long and it would be disrespectful to just “skimm” a post after someone has put in so much effort, Aquileana a nice sounding name and an even better symbol / gravatar , please forgive me for my open honesty, Thank you for your time and thoughts … feedback is a positive response to a blogger … no matter whether good or bad, what doesn’t kill you … just makes you stronger … only if we learn from our mistakes! No one is perfect … only God. We all are sinners and make constantly mistakes me more than outhers…. because I speak out what I think. Sometimes without fear of loss. But that’s the way I am and how my creator made me!
Feedback is always a good thing and so it is exchanging points of views. I appreciate the openness and comment here!. Best wishes. Aquileana ⭐
Great points on beauty. I like the point of beauty being “behind” beauty. It’s similar to C.S. Lewis’ concept of a universal “right” that we judge all right vs. Wrong against. Very interesting concept.
I agree with that C.S. Lewis’ thoughts… when it comes to beauty, I´d say that is, mostly, defined per contrast… That’s why it is mainly a social, relative concept .
Thanks so much for dropping by, Wanda!. Sending love and best wishes!. Aquileana 😀
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This was quite a complicated post on beauty! Then again, the whole idea of beauty and perception of body image and true inner beauty is complicated. ‘the beautiful things we can see are beautiful only because they participate in the more general Form of Beauty.’ This is so deep, and also so true. True beauty, like many other things like kindness and love, can only be felt and experienced – it is a range of sensory experiences.
Agree with you that beauty causes troubles as you so insightfully illustrated with the stories of Helen of Troy and Andromeda – beauty not only brings about jealously but also brings out the worst actions in us that not only hurt us but those around us, sometimes everyone. Beauty is a social construct and what is beautiful to us depends on our perception.
To me, beauty is certainly not about looks but it’s about sharing and how you make others feel – firstly by feeling beautiful yourself and feeling confident. This is the way I’ve chosen to live as of last year. To be beautiful means to be accepting of yourself and your strengths and weaknesses, to realise that you can be beautiful and happy by just being you – and so in turn you can lift others up ❤
Hello linda,
Thank you so much for your comment here. You always provide such valuable insights, making me ponder my own thoughts.
I agree with you when you say
“Beauty is a social construct and what is beautiful to us depends on our perception”.
True that. Our patterns of Beauty change according to Time, culture , places. that would be a social relative element so to speak.
But there is also an individual element, as “Beauty is in the eye of the beholder”… So, even in the same context and society, one´s idea of what or who is beautiful may differ according to the perceptual subject, so to speak.
Furthermore, there is also an universal element. That is Plato´s legacy: the Idea of Beauty which help us put together all beautiful elements, at least just from a linguistic point of view.
I like how you define something or someone Beautiful. I agree. There are values related to Beauty, and no wonder why Plato associated the Idea of Beauty with the Idea of Goodness 😉
I love reading your thoughts on this subject, my lovely!. I thank you again.
Sending love across the miles 🙂 ❤
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This post gave me much to think about! It’s so true that we are attracted to symmetrical faces. I think beauty still holds a lot of mystery despite the fact that we can calculate some of the proportions in a scientific way.
Hi dear Carolee… I agree with you… Symmetry was one of the attributes of beauty, according to Ancient Greeks´ classic Ideal….
The Mysterious factor, as you say is a subjective one, true. Very well pointed out 😀 Thank you!. Sending love & best wishes.
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A great discussion of the concept of beauty. I always learn so much from you, Aquileana! ❤
Thanks so much dear Anna…. The feeling is mutual : D xx Sending love & wishing you a happy week ahead. 😉
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i so much cherish this writing on beauty. Last week i wrote a reflection on beauty and many questions was asked, i saw how diversified this subject matter is. But with this your post i got more enlightened and ready to answer much questions for my post of FB. Thanks for this, i really appreciate.
Just a little reflection on Beauty……
What is beauty? How could we know what is beautiful? What possibly could we call beauty? Who is beautiful?
These have been a question I ponder at heart more often as I hear people call others beautiful. I tend to ask, is there a thing, an idea or a form one needs to portray to be ascertained with beauty?
What is beauty?
Saying beauty to be just appearance would be limiting beauty to a thing of the body. This I have in notion because, I have heard people, also read of beautiful souls. So, should I say beauty based on appearance would be a limitation or only an aspect of beauty which is not authentic and real (it fades). Viewing beauty from the appearance point of view, or call it – Bodily Beauty, I would define it as that which is ascertained good, admirable, desirable, and appreciated by another who is not in possession of the said beauty. This beauty concurs with the saying “beauty lies in the eyes of the beholder.” You may argue one of being “Ugly”, You may say one is not admired by many. Yes, this is because you don’t see the form of that one beauty. You only choose to see, or view the beauty in the particular form you wish to admire. Beauty truly lie in the beholder’s eye. The Igbos have what the call “mkpuru ihu (Ur-stuff of the face), this is just the appearance of the face as it appears to the admirer. Why call someone Ugly, when another calls her beautiful. Mind you, you don’t see what they see.
How could we know what is beautiful?
Beauty appears to us in different ways, from different perspectives and in varied forms. So to know what is beautiful must be something difficult to admit. But I want to sieve or to find that particular thing which all would see and say it to be beautiful.
What is that one thing?
How can one be called beautiful yet ugly to another. Is there something beautiful therein that some don’t see. If there is, thus, what could that be? To posit it as an accident would mean something not absolute and good in itself. So this has to be an essence. It has to be an essence to be absolute, good in itself and infinite. What could it be then?
For it to be with the essence, I would think it to be something in the #mind of the admirer. Beauty lies in the mind of the admirer of anothers’ beauty. What is that which is in the mind? – #Love.
Love makes us see what others don’t see. Love makes us understand the beauty in others. It makes us admire the one we wish for. And this is why word like #Crush emerged.
What possibly could we call beautiful?
Someone we crush. A thing or being we admire. That also which we desire.
Who is beautiful?
My Crush, my lover, my mum, my sister, my friends, my whatever you could think to be good in itself. And that which you sacrifice a heart with. And that which you place dear in your mind.
#Chisom_writes
If you have loved me, or inspired me, or cared in anyway, You are a being made with #Beauty
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Excellent commentary on beauty. I always learn something from you. I have a special place in my heart for the Golden ratio mainly because I see it as nature’s expression of beauty. Lovely photos. In love and light Cheryle
Thanks so much, dear Cheryle 💓 so glad that this post resonated with you. I completely agree with you as to the Golden Ratio. It is amazing to find this “golden proportion” in Nature… and not so difficult either!. Sending much love 😘
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Lol… Got lost on, The Golden Ratio… Maths stuff will do it every time! 😀
Ha!. I can totally relate… thanks for dropping by, Kev. All the best 🖤♥️
And to you dear, Amalia… Hope you are keeping well. 🙂
Thank you, Kev. Enjoy your weekend 😘🤗