►Philosophy / Art:
“Evolution of the Concept of Beauty and Examples in Greek Sculpture”:

“The Diskobolus of Myron”. Nude male discus-thrower. Classical Period. Roman copy of 450 B.C bronze original. British Museum-
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Plato considered beauty to be the Idea (Form) above all other Ideas.
Plato’s account in the “Symposium” connect beauty to a response of love and desire, but locate beauty itself in the realm of the Forms, and the beauty of particular objects in their participation in the Form.
In this platonic dialogue, beauty is at least as objective as any other concept, or indeed takes on a certain ontological priority as more real than particular Forms: it is a sort of Form of Forms.
Plato maintained that in addition to being able to identify a beautiful person or a beautiful painting, we also have a general conception of Beauty itself.
In other words, the beautiful things we can see are beautiful only because they participate in the more general Form of Beauty. This Form of Beauty is itself invisible, eternal, and unchanging, unlike the things in the visible world that can grow old and lose their beauty.
The universal elements of beauty according to Aristotle in his book “Metaphysics” are: order, symmetry, and definiteness or determinateness.
In “Poetics” he added another essential, namely, a certain magnitude, it being desirable, for a synoptic and single view of the parts, that the object should not be too large, while clearness of perception requires that it should not be too small.
Aristotle saw a relationship between the beautiful (to kalon) and virtue, arguing that “Virtue aims at the beautiful”. Aristotle also said that when the good person chooses to act virtuously, he does so for the sake of the “kalon”—a word that can mean “beautiful,” “noble,” or “fine. (Nicomachean Ethics. 1106b5–14)
Aristotle distinguished between the good and the beautiful. The good implies an action or conduct, while the beautiful is found only in motionless objects. “Beauty is a bodily excellence and produces many other good things.” Because “beautiful things are effects of mathematical sciences,” Aristotle viewed beautiful forms to have order, symmetry, and definiteness.
Aristotle says in the “Poetics” that “to be beautiful, a living creature, and every whole made up of parts, must present a certain order in its arrangement of parts” (Aristotle, “Poetics”, volume II, 2322).
Plato and Aristotle both regard beauty as objective in the sense that it is not localized in the response of the beholder.
The classical conception is that beauty consists of an arrangement of integral parts into a coherent whole, according to proportion, harmony, symmetry, and similar notions. This is a primordial Western conception of beauty, and is embodied in classical and neo-classical architecture, sculpture, literature, and music wherever they appear.
The Pythagorean school saw a strong connection between mathematics and beauty. In particular, they noted that objects proportioned according to the golden ratio seemed more attractive.
Ancient Greek Sculpture and Architecture are based on this view of symmetry and proportion.
Classical and Hellenistic sculptures of men and women produced according to the Greek philosophers’ tenets of ideal human beauty which were rediscovered in Renaissance Europe, leading to a re-adoption of what became known as a “classical ideal”.
In his book, “Observations on the Feeling of the Beautiful and Sublime” (1764), Immanuel Kant describes the feeling of the sublime and the feeling of the beautiful.
Some of his examples of feelings of the beautiful are the sight of flower beds, grazing flocks, and daylight.
As to Kant, they “occasion a pleasant sensation but one that is joyous and smiling.”
Feelings of the sublime are the result of seeing mountain peaks, raging storms, and night. These ones, according to Kant, “arouse enjoyment but with horror”.
Beauty and the sublime can be joined or alternated. Kant claimed that tragedy, for the most part, stirs the feeling of the sublime. Comedy arouses feelings for beauty.
Kant subdivided the sublime into three kinds. The feeling of the terrifying sublime is sometimes accompanied with a certain dread or melancholy. The feeling of the noble sublime is quiet wonder. Feelings of the splendid sublime are pervaded with beauty.
For Kant, judgments of taste rest on something universal in human nature. So, correct judgments of taste, like the capacity to do the morally right thing, are available to all.
Friedrich Nietzsche disputes Kant’s view. He thinks that beauty may be highly personal, elusive, and not universally available, and perhaps is available only to aristocratic souls in unusual enhanced ecstatic experiences.
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►Beauty as it appears in Classical and Hellenistic Greek Sculptures:
►I) Greek Sculptures from the Classic Period (480 / 323 B.C):
During the Classical Period (480 /323 B.C.) the Greek artists replaced the stiff vertical figures of the archaic period with three-dimensional snap shots of figures in action.
While the archaic sculptures appeared static the classical statues held dynamic poses bursting with potential energy.
Figures become sensuous and appear frozen in action; it seems that only a second ago they were actually alive. Faces are given more expression and whole figures strike a particular mood. Clothes too become more subtle in their rendering and cling to the contours of the body in what has been described as “wind-blown”.
The concept of dialectics began to take shape. The world became understood as a series of opposing forces that created a certain synthesis and a transient balance that always shifted to accommodate the movement of the opposing forces. So in sculpture the human figure became understood as a universe of opposing forces which created a perfect aesthetic entity the moment they achieved balance.
It was clear to an artist of the Classical period of Greece that the beauty of the whole depends on the harmony of the parts which comprise it, and that each part depends on the others in order to create a harmonious group.
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Zeus of Artemision. Dated 450 B.C. Classical Period. Found Found in the sea near cape Artemision. National Archaeological Museum of Athens.-

‘”Doryphorus”, or Spear Bearer, done in the style of a Greek school in about 450-40 B.C (Classical Period), was probably by Polyclitus. A marble Roman copy pictured, now in the National Museum in Naples, Italy, was modeled on the bronze Greek original.-

Praxiteles” “Hermes with the Infant Dionysus'”is the only known original by an early Greek master from the Classical Period. Unearthed in 1877 at Olympia, Greece, it is in the Olympia Museum. The missing arm probably held a bunch of grapes, toward which the child is reaching.-
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►II) Greek Sculptures from the Hellenistic Period (323/31 B.C):
The Hellenistic period begins in 323 with the death of Alexander the Great and ends with the battle of Actio in 31 BC.
During this period, the Idealism of classical art gave way to a higher degree of Naturalism. While the interest in deities and heroic themes was still of importance, the emphasis of Hellenistic art shifted from religious and naturalistic themes towards more dramatic human expression, psychological and spiritual preoccupation, and theatrical settings. The sculpture of this period abandons the self-containment of the earlier styles and appears to embrace its physical surroundings with dramatic groupings and creative landscaping of its context.
Eroticism gained popularity during this period and statues of Aphrodite, Eros, Satyrs, Dionysus, Pan, and even hermaphrodites are depicted in a multitude of configurations and styles. Statues of female nudes became popular in Hellenistic art and statues of Venus in various poses and attitudes adorn the halls of many museums around the world.-
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The Nike of Samothrace (Unknown Greek artist) is a 2nd century B.C (Hellenistic Period) marble sculpture of the Greek goddess Nike (Victory). Unknown Greek artist Since 1884, it has been displayed at the Louvre.-

“Venus or Aphrodite of Milo”, greek ancient statue of Aphrodite, now in Paris at the Louvre. Carved by Alexandros, a sculptor of Antioch on the Maeander River in about 150 B.C, Hellenistic Period. It was found on the Aegean island of Melos in 1820.-

“Aphrodite (Venus), Pan, and Eros”. Circa 100 B.C. (Hellenistic Period). National Archaeological Museum of Athens. Found at Delos.-
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►Ancient Greek Sculpture:
“The three main periods: Archaic, Classical and Hellenistic”:
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►Links Post:
http://lyceumphilosophy.com/?q=node/50
http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/plato-aesthetics/
http://public.wsu.edu/~kimander/teraray.htm
http://www.hull.ac.uk/php/465848/HOMEPAGE/PDFs/05_Zangwill_HPQ_30_1.pdf
http://www.1902encyclopedia.com/A/AES/aesthetics-09.html
http://www.greeklandscapes.com/greece/athens_museum_hellenistic.html
http://viewfromaburrow.com/2015/02/07/nike-of-samothrace/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Observations_on_the_Feeling_of_the_Beautiful_and_Sublime
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Very interesting and organized post. I’ve always been of the opinion that if people were taught to pursue and understand beauty, we would see an improvement in ethics as Aristotle implied. After all “beauty is truth, true beauty, that’s all you need to know” 😉
Hugs
Stefy
Hi dear Stefy,
Thanks for dropping by… Your quote reminds me of Keats and how he linked Beauty and Truth…
What caught my attention as regard to Aristotle was that his idea of Beauty was objective, same way that Plato’s… So at the end for both of them, Beauty would not exclusively depend “on the eye of the beholder”.
Best wishes and hugs to you,
Aquileana 😀
A very profound research on the evolution of beauty! Wonderful job, Aquileana, as always. The video is amazing, and the related links are very informative. Thank you so much, have a great weekend, sweet girl, beautiful inside and out 🙂
Thanks @Inessa_ie for sharing this post at Twitter,
Aquileana 😛
Thanks Inese for sharing this post at Google Plus,
Aquileana 😀
Thank you very much for such a marvelous comment. I really appreciate each one of your words here and I appreciate YOU!.
Glad to know that you enjoyed this one,dear Inese.
Many hugs and all the best to you, Aquileana 😀
I did enjoy this post. It is amazing that the Greek concept of beauty was so broad and unique. Thank you again, hugs and best wishes to you! 🙂
Inese
You are right: Broad and unique…
I could have never been able to say in a better way 😛
Hugs… I ‘ll visit you as soon as possible, dear Inese!.
Aquileana 😀
Enjoy your weekend! 🙂 Hugs! 🙂
You too dear Inese… Hugs!!!!, Aquileana 😀
Thanks @ShehanneMoore for sharing this post at Twitter, Aquileana 😀
I enjoyed this discussion, Aquileana, and very much enjoyed the sculptures too.
Thank you very much, dear Jet.. I am pleased to know that.
Best wishes to you, Aquileana 😀
Thanks @MarinaKanavaki for sharing this post at Twitter, Aquileana 🙂
I never knew much about Greek mythology but always found it interesting. Your posts are so well written and researched! Good job, dear Aquileana! 🙂
Thank you very much for dropping by and for your comment, dear Linda… I am grateful to read your words and really appreciate your encouragement and support!.
All the best to you, Aquileana 😀
What a great post, Aquileana. So much information on such a beautiful theme. Well done, my dear! 🙂
I was sure that you, as an artist, would like this one.
Thank you very much for the kind words and shares, Marina.
Best wishes xo, Aquileana 😀
Most of them I had the good fortune to be able to see, study and sketch so many times… You learn something new every time. Makes one wonder how much we’ve actually evolved! 😉
As we live and learn, we tend to evolve even when we don’t even notice that… That’s what I think 🙂
Hugs, Aquileana 😀
🙂
Best wishes to you too, my dear and a beautiful Friday ahead! 🙂 xx
Happy friday and weekend ahead to you too, Marina.
Hugs, Aquileana 😀
Fascinating and informative as always!
Thank you very much my dear Cindy… It is great to have you as a reader.
Best wishes Aquileana 😛
Once again, wonderfully learned and entertaining. It’s admirable how much effort and passion you put into your work. Thank you
Hi dear John… Thank you very much for your comment here.. I am definitely passionate about these topics… how nice that it shows through this post!.
Best wishes to you, always Aquileana 😀
As usual, you have left me astonished with the amount of history you covered here, I realized that what I knew was a fragment compared to all that there really is…thanks again! And may beauty prevail, whatever it is…💐
Hi dear Friend…
I am so grateful to read your comment… We had so much to share and I feared thAt maybe I was tossing too many topics aside… But our discussion helped me a lot and even to figure out next posts,as you already know well.
I am really glad to know that you enjoyed this one …
Best wishes.
Thanks a lot for your help and hugs to you,
Aquileana 😛
(PS: Check out the video here if you have 15 minutes, you’ll like it very much!) 🙂
The video is awesome, and I really enjoyed the music. It’s also amazing to see how they started to add wings to the sculptures; I realize it was a celestial attribute to the Gods, yet it denotes they may have also been avid bird watchers. The wings are simply spectacular and meticulously rendered, as seen in the Nike sculptures.
Can you imagine how the complete sculpture of Nike would look like?… This is something difficult to do eh?… Also the same applies to the Venus of Milo….
And… as regard to the video I couldn’t agree more, it is like a class of History of Arts… My only objection is that the Hellenistic period is not too much developed (they only mention three or fours sculptures!)…
Best wishes, honey, Aquileana 😀
Muy buenas las imagenes , particularmente el discóbolo
Es una escultura donde el equilibrio de la masa muscular en movimiento……paradojicamente esculpida en una piedra estática es sorprendente .
Aunque me cuesta el ingles leí toda la bajada y hay conceptos muy enriquecedores
Great post! Well done Aquileana.
Thank you very much dear Maverick… Always nice to have you here.
Best regards, Aquileana 😛
What an interesting analysis, Aquileana. I’ve read numerous times that beauty all comes down to symmetry, and I enjoyed learning more about that theory from your post.
Hi dear Miranda.
Indeed, that idea is a very important one and would be linked to the Pythagorean school. Besides it was something that the artists from the Renaissance would keep in mind and thus refresh again in their artistic creations. ( An example would be Leonardo Da Vinci and the Golden Ratio)
Best wishes and thank you very much for taking time to read and comment,
Aquileana 😀
Very insightful post Aqui. I believe true beauty far beyond the physical make-up of a person and or thing. It is found in the qualities and characteristic derived from the soul. Beauty is more than superficial, it has such a great spiritual depth to it. Thanks again for a wonderful post
Peace and Hugs
Syl 🙂
Hi dear Syl…
I agree with you and would say that beauty even considered from the outside is absolutely subjective…
When we fall in love we tend to experince that, I think…
Thanks for dropping by.
All the very best to you and many hugs, Aquileana 😀
The very best to you dear sister!
Syl 🙂
Thank you Syl, my poet Bro!,
Aquileana 😛
Anytime sis 🙂
Thanks @SylvesterPoetry for sharing this post at Twitter, Aquileana 😛
Nice post, I loved that video! You do such a great work Aquileana! Have my best wishes! 🙂
Hi dear HJ. Thank you very much for dropping by and for your blogger friendship.
Best wishes to you, always,
Aquileana 😛
Thanks @Agustinayalad for sharing this post at Twitter, Aquileana 😀
How interesting! both historically and philosophically… the video is a must… THANK YOU AQUILEANA 🙂
Thanks a lot for dropping by Frédéric… I am truly glad to know that you enjoyed the post and video/
Have a great friday and weekend ahead, Aquileana 😛
Thanks @wordsinthelight for sharing this post at Twitter, Aquileana 😛
I enjoyed your comparison of Kant and Nietzsche’s concept of beauty here.
That is an interesting topic indeed, dear Chris. Happy friday and weekend ahead to you, Aquileana 😀
Happy Weekend Aquileana — I hope you enjoy it !!!!!!!!!!!!! 🙂
I hope you have had a great weekend, dear Chris… Mine was cool and still didn’t finish as tomorrow is holiday in Argentina… Hugs, Aquileana 😀
Wunderschöner Beitrag habe Indersand gelesen.Ich wünsche dir ein sonniges schönes Wochenende.Liebe Grüße Gislinde
Wünschen Ihnen ein wunderschönes Wochenende zu haben. Vielen Dank für den Kommentar, Gislinde 🙂
Bis bald und liebe Grüße, Aquileana 😀
That statue of Zeus found in the sea is one of my all time favourites. I have seen it in Athens and they have a full size modern copy in the Ashmolean museum in Oxford which I look at every time I go there.
Hi Susan, That statue is also one of my favorite here… You are lucky to have been the original one… And thanks for telling me about the copy in Oxford, England as I didn’t know about that!.
Best wishes to you. Have a great weeekend ahead!, Aquileana 😀
Hello dear Aquileana, I enjoyed very much this information of the concept of Beauty, and of course photos of amazing statues. Wish you a wonderful weekend! Best wishes, Takami 🙂
Thanks a lot for dropping by, dear Takami… I am truly glad to know that you enjoyed the post and liked the sculptures.
Have a great friday and weekend ahead, Aquileana 🙂
I warmly welcome and invite you to watch a new photo album “Lilies”
Good weekend!
I will visit you soon dear Marko. Thank you . Have a wonderful friday,
Aquileana 😛
Hi! This was a nice and informative post. I loved how you introduced the concept of the sublime, which I’m familiar with for having read the Romantic poets at university ;). It was interesting to learn about the philosophy at the core of their poetry: Kant did have some very interesting views on beauty and truth :).
Humans are always in search for beauty, and the Greeks most definitely knew a thing or two about how to portray it in their sculptures <3.
¡Tienes un blog muy bonito! 😀
Thanks @Marsar80 for sharing this post at Twitter, Aquileana 😛
A very interesting read Aquileana. The connection between beauty and mathematics in particular is interesting. No wonder that photographic rules of a beautiful photo include mention of the golden ratio, rule of thirds, golden triangles, etc.
Hi Lignum… Thanks for taking time to read and comment …
You are right, there is a mathematical approach of beauty that can not be denied…
Sending you my best regards and wishes, Aquileana 😛
A really interesting post. The skill and artistry of these sculptors is amazing. Thank-you!
Thank you very much for your kind words… I am really glad to know that you liked this post dear Clarepooley!…
Have a great friday and weekend ahead, best wishes, Aquileana 😀
I hope you have a lovely weekend too. Please do call me Clare. Best wishes, Clare
I will “Clare” you, of course 😉
Cheers and best wishes, Aquileana 😀
Great post, Aquileana! As always, well researched and thorough. The aesthetics of beauty change throughout history. There is a great book that I will recommend: “On Beauty” by Umberto Eco. Here’s the link.
http://www.amazon.com/Beauty-History-Western-Idea/dp/0436205173
Hi Jeff…
Thanks a lot for taking time to read and comment… I will check out the link without any doubt.
I will let you know about my further impressions and/or thoughts … Best wishes to you, always, Aquileana 😀
Truly masterpiece Aquileana , This blog is truly home of Arts 🙂
I am really glad to know that you liked this post. Thanks a lot for your comment and encouragement, dear Jake.
Best wishes to you!, Aquileana 😀
Your welcome my friend
Best wishes and happy week ahead to you, Jake, Aquileana 😀
Interesting, and very informative!
Thank you very much dear Aina… I will check out your updates as soon as possible.
Have a great friday and weekend ahead, Aquileana 😀
Please don’t mention it. The pleasure is mine. Tc
Thanks for the lovely words Aina. Aquileana 😀
Querida amiga A.
Y pensar que a día de hoy aún sostenemos que sobre gustos no hay nada escrito. Claro que lo hay y nuestros amigos helénicos no han esquivado temas complejos ni han temido dar opiniones. Me gusta la idea de belleza como virtud que puede apreciar lo intangible y también lo que perdura.
¿Las esculturas? Sólo falta que reciban el soplo divino para cobrar vida. Los músculos parecen prestos para la acción. Las formas son tan naturales…
No dejo de maravillarme. Gracias por la belleza del remanso. 🙂
Feliz fin de semana XL 😛
Besos, V.
Hola V …
Gracias por tu “bello” comentario 🙂
Coincido respecto a las variables de la intangibilidad y perdurabilidad como componentes inherentes de la Belleza.
Desde el platonismo, esto es receptado en la Idea o Forma de Belleza, una invariante esencia de Belleza que se presenta en las cosas bellas.
Me ha gustado lo del “soplo divino que insufla vida”… Muy buena imagen.
Me alegro como siempre de leer tus comentarios y de saber que te ha gustado el post.
Un abrazo grande. Buen viernes y fin de semana para vos,
Aquileana 😀
HI Aqui,
What a quality post! First of all, the title is excellent, and it makes me wonder if a certain Canadian gal was playing a part (hihihihi) 🙂
Onto the post… It’s wonderful! I think that there will always be definitions that differ about what exactly beauty is, just as it has in the past with Plato, Nietzsche and more. I believe that beauty is all in the inner spirit and that what one person sees as beautiful may not be the same as another person. Plus, I think it can change over time…
Thanks for your thoughtful post and wonderful photos as well as links. Well done, my GalPal!
Happy Friday to you!!
Hugs from Chris xo
Hi Christy…
Oh yes the title 😀 that was remarkable eh… Yes a canadian poet helped me with that…
You are right as to the subjective definition of Beauty… However both Plato and Aristotle believed it was more an objective quality…
Aristotle linked it to the idea of Good and Plato with the idea of an eternal essence (Form of Beauty) which was common and appears in all the things we may define as beautiful… For him as Shakespeare said in his Sonnet 116, beauty didn’t change with time as it was something essential...
But there was also a subjective approach and the quote that is eloquent in this sense is :”The Beauty is in the eye of the beholder”… And the mathematical ideas and proportions lead us to a definition of beauty from an external perspective, nor essential neither ethical…
It is quite complex… At the end I mainly agree with you and Plato’s ideas.
Best wishes to you… I hope you have a marvelous friday and weekend ahead.
Hugs to my canadian BGP, Aquileana 😀
Thanks @christybis for sharing this post at Twitter, Aquileana 😀
have been to both the Naples and Athens museums. Love these!!
How lucky you have been to go to both museums, dear Cybele. Thank you very much for taking time to read and comment. All the very best to you,Aquileana 😀
Hola, Aquileana
It is so interesting that this post mentioned about the link between beauty and mathematics. Many of these Greek philosophers were also great mathematicians. For example, Pythagoras theorem is still widely used today. The golden ratio is found in nature (e.g. the sunflower) and also in Greek architecture (e.g. The Parthenon). Thank you for taking us through the evolution of the concept of beauty using Greek sculptures as examples. A beautiful exposition, Aquileana! 🙂 Kind regards, Iris.
Hello dear Iris.
Thank you very much for such a witty and precious comment…
You have well highlighted the mathematical perspective with regard to the concept of Beauty…
As Ancient Greek Sculpture and Architecture are based on the view of symmetry and proportion. which was mainly a legacy from the Pythagorean school..
Golden ratio was first used among greeks (e. g The Parthenon, as you said) and during the hellenistic period it was clearly present in sculptures and architecture.
Later on it will reappear among romans and hegemonically during the Renaissance (e.g Particularly in Leonardo da Vinci’s works).
Best wishes and I hope you have a “beautiful” weekend ahead, ❤
Aquileana 😀
Thank you so much, Aquileana. It is my pleasure as you have put a lot into your post. So informative. Have a lovely weekend too, my friend. ❤ Regards, Iris. 🙂
Have a wonderful weekend dear Iris… I ‘ll see you around ❤
Aquileana 😀
Ancient Roman architect Vitruvius in Book III of his treatise “De Architectura” described the human figure as being the principal source of proportion among the Classical orders of architecture. Vitruvius determined that the ideal body should be eight heads high. Hence, da Vinci’s famous “Vitruvian Man”
Encyclopaedia Britannica online states, “Leonardo envisaged the great picture chart of the human body he had produced through his anatomical drawings and Vitruvian Man as a cosmografia del minor mondo (cosmography of the microcosm). He believed the workings of the human body to be an analogy for the workings of the universe.”
The second written paragraph of the drawing reads: “if you open your legs enough that your head is lowered by one-fourteenth of your height and raise your hands enough that your extended fingers touch the line of the top of your head, know that the centre of the extended limbs will be the navel, and the space between the legs will be an equilateral triangle”.
Excellent comment, dear Maria… Thanks for taking time to read in depth, discuss with me these topics and add those links above…
I have found an article regarding The Vitruvian Man…
It says:
“The Vitruvian Man is a world-renowned drawing created by Leonardo da Vinci around the year 1487. The drawing is based on the correlations of ideal human proportions with geometry described by the ancient Roman architect Vitruvius in Book III of his treatise “De Architectura”. Vitruvius described the human figure as being the principal source of proportion among the Classical orders of architecture”.
Read further details about the proportions themselves here:
http://www.davincithevilla.com/vitruvproportions.htm
And also: http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/leonardo/gallery/vitruvian.shtml
One thing I found quite compelx to explain is the relation between the Viturvian Man and The Golden ratio.
Check it out here: http://www.crl.nitech.ac.jp/~ida/education/VitruvianMan/
My doubt here is:
Is the radius of the circle drawn by da Vinci the same than the amount of the Golden Ratio (meaning 0.618)… Or not?
Many hugs, dear Maria… Thanks for everything YOU are !.
Happy week ahead, Aquileana 😀
No, it is well known now that although the Vitruvian Man is often shown in connection with the golden ratio, the proportions of the figure do not actually match it, he modified it to 1.656
See here:
http://www.world-mysteries.com/sci_17_vm.htm
This is very interesting… I didn’t know that the original amount had been modified, Maria…
I will read in depth the article soon,
Many hugs ! Aquileana 😀
And the reason behind it was that one couldn’t “square a circle,” at least not with the math that was used in the Renaissance because Pi is an irrational number. Leonardo worked the problem to an approximation.

So he went beyond Vitruvius who only used the naval as an axis point, and rotated another square 45º to form an octagram. The distance between the base line of the first square and the apex of the rotated one was used as the other axis point. So this was his solution when he sought to integrate both circle and square and relate them to the human body.
Outstanding… I have wondered about the method that Leonardo had used to figure out the relationship between the proportions of the square and the ones of the circle… The octagram led him to an “rational solution” I guess..
You are an ACE honey… Thank you very much for doing this research and explaining this to me!.
Many hugs, Aquileana 😀
I found a great video explaining what the Vitruvian man by Leonardo supposedly means:
and it explains it as a form of NeoPlatonism which emerged during the Renaissance. It’s really interesting, except it must be understood within the context it was created, because IMOHO all art is really subjective, each epoch has its reason to say “this or that work” of art is a “masterpiece”
I liked this video very much dear Maria…
Giovanni Pico della Mirandolla ‘s position has blown me away…. Mainly when he said that Human were not in the center of the Change of Being but that they might be able to take any position they want
If you have had the change to read Voltaire’s brief stories “Candid” or “Micromegas”, you will associate Mirandolla with Voltaire, and in a more general way with Renaissance , which had as main values Progress and Reason
I like how the video relates Vitruvian Man’s Geometry (Circle and Squares) with Mankind abilities to be placed in mo matter which position of the Chain of Beings.
Thank you very much for sharing this great finding, my friend.
Hugs & best wishes, Aquileana 😛
And here’s the link to the “The Great Chain of Being” which was considered to be a form of “Neoplatonism”:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_chain_of_being
Yet, who knew that later, Charles Darwin would come to challenge this notion?
Thanks for the link dear Maria… I bet that when you say that “Darwin would challenge the notion of Great Chain of Being” you are maybe thinking of Pico della Mirandolla’s neoplatonic approach… Am I right?
Best wishes to you, always, Aquileana 😀
Yes, because if I’m not mistaken he was a Christian author (amongst Emerson, Lactantius, Thomas of Aquinas, Augustine, Giordano Bruno, Marsilio Ficino, and Campanella, who considered Hermes Trismegistus to be a wise pagan prophet who foresaw the coming of Christianity) in the tradition of “hermetism”
“Much of the importance of Hermeticism arises from its connection with the development of science during the time from 1300 to 1600 A.D. The prominence that it gave to the idea of influencing or controlling nature led many scientists to look to magic and its allied arts (e.g., alchemy, astrology) which, it was thought, could put Nature to the test by means of experiments. Consequently it was the practical aspects of Hermetic writings that attracted the attention of scientists.”
“In Hermeticism, the ultimate reality is referred to variously as God, the All, or the One. God in the Hermetica is unitary and transcendent, he is one and exists apart from the material cosmos. Hermetism is therefore profoundly monotheistic, in a deistic and unitarian understanding of the term. “For it is a ridiculous thing to confess the World to be one, one Sun, one Moon, one Divinity, and yet to have, I know not how many gods.”
“Its philosophy teaches that there is a transcendent God, or Absolute, in which we and the entire universe participate. It also subscribes to the idea that other beings, such as aeons, angels and elementals, exist within the universe.”
“Prisca theologia
Hermeticists believe in a prisca theologia, the doctrine that a single, true theology exists, that it exists in all religions, and that it was given by God to man in antiquity. In order to demonstrate the truth of the prisca theologia doctrine, Christians appropriated the Hermetic teachings for their own purposes. By this account, Hermes Trismegistus was (according to the fathers of the Christian church) either a contemporary of Moses or the third in a line of men named Hermes — Enoch, Noah, and the Egyptian priest-king who is known to us as Hermes Trismegistus.”
This is a great link to an article about Charles Darwin’s religious views. Darwin was “Agnostic”, not “Atheist”.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_of_Charles_Darwin
In this article it is clear that he was against monotheistic notions.
How interesting dear Maria… I liked to read about Hermeticism and its relevant points…
I wonder iof there is not a sort of hermeneutical opposition between Christians and Hermetism… Or they can coexist to put it down in words…
A few excerpts here reminded me of Aristotle himself particularly these ones:
“Its philosophy teaches that there is a transcendent God, or Absolute, in which we and the entire universe participate. It also subscribes to the idea that other beings, such as aeons, angels and elementals, exist within the universe.”
“In Hermeticism, the ultimate reality is referred to variously as God, the All, or the One. God in the Hermetica is unitary and transcendent, he is one and exists apart from the material cosmos. Hermetism is therefore profoundly monotheistic, in a deistic and unitarian understanding of the term. “
Could Aristotle have been somehow also part of the tradition called Hermetism?.
(Check out mainly these two links:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aristotle#Five_elements
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aristotle#Biology_and_medicine ),
Best wishes and happy tuesday ahead to you, my dear friend !
Aquileana 😀
Hi Maria.
My first thought was that Darwin would have been Catholic, even more considering his early formation
But I was wrong… He was agnostic.
In this second sense, I have found this excerpt of his book “The Descent of Man” truly eloquent:
“The belief in God has often been advanced as not only the greatest, but the most complete of all the distinctions between man and the lower animals. It is however impossible, as we have seen, to maintain that this belief is innate or instinctive in man. On the other hand a belief in all-pervading spiritual agencies seems to be universal; and apparently follows from a considerable advance in man’s reason, and from a still greater advance in his faculties of imagination, curiosity and wonder. I am aware that the assumed instinctive belief in God has been used by many persons as an argument for His existence. But this is a rash argument, as we should thus be compelled to believe in the existence of many cruel and malignant spirits, only a little more powerful than man; for the belief in them is far more general than in a beneficent Deity. The idea of a universal and beneficent Creator does not seem to arise in the mind of man, until he has been elevated by long-continued culture”.
Thank you very much for sharing this link and for everything…
Best wishes and hugs to you, Aquileana 😛
ESTOY DE ACUERDO EN LO QUE PLATON Y ARISTOTELES HACIAN FILOSOFIA DE LA BELLEZA, PERO LA PERCEPCION DE CADA PERSONA AL ANALIZAR LA BELLEZA PUEDE SER DIFERENTE, EN EL MISMO PLATON EL AMOR SE PODIA NOMBRAR COMO PLATONICO LO QUE EL QUERIA DECIR AMOR. ME HA GUSTADO LA EXPOSICION, UN SALUDO CORDIAL
Me ha parecido absolutamente acertado tu comentario.
El margen perceptivo y, por ende, personal y subjetivo de la Belleza es un elemento insoslayable, Lambertus.
Un gran saludo con el mayor de los afectos.
Buen fin de semana para vos, Aquileana 😀
My dear , it’s a great post as always … I love the thought that beauty comes to “things” and goodness is a virtue ..
Thanks dear talker Blogger… I couldn’t agree more with you… That first one is an original platonic thought, mixed up with aristotelian tones (Beauty= Good)… I liked that musing too!.
Best wishes to you, happy week ahead!.
Aquileana 😛
What a wonderful post dear Amalia.
I really enjoyed this one.
Kisses & Hugs
Thanks dear Rotze… Your comment here is much appreciated. I am really glad to know that you enjoy this post.
Best wishes to you, many hugs,
Aquileana 😀
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Aquileana 🙂
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Aquileana 🙂
Well, As always no words, it is always fascinating to drop by and read some great greek myths. Truly, I enjoyed. Foremost, I LEARNED many things!! Pictures were interesting and helpful throughout the read.
Keep up your hard works and posting such informative posts!! All the very best! 😀
PS: I was hoping, did you find a name for me!!?
Regards,
Swetank!! Be Bettr, Stay Bettr!! 😀
Thank you very much, Swetank for dropping by and for your thoughtful words here. Your support means a lot to me!.
Best wishes and happy week ahead to you, Aquileana 😛
PS: Still thinking your nickname… It is not so easy 😀
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Aquileana 😛
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Aquileana 😀
For the sake of variety, a subjective observation from Uncle Tree —
You’ve heard the old saying:
“The more you like music, the more music you’ll like.”
Well, could it also be:
The more you love Beauty, the more beauty you’ll see.
Acts of kindness appear beautiful to me, thanks to my sentimentality,
which has to do with past experiences mostly, I suspect. But actually?
I trust my tear ducts. They never lie, and refuse to dry in such cases.
Thanks for another intelligent and lovely lesson in the Arts, Amalia!
Have a wonderful weekend! 🙂 Peace, luvz, and hugz! Keith
“The more you love Beauty, the more beauty you’ll see”.
That was so very well said… And I loved the way you played with analogies, dear Keith/ Uncle Tree…
I really liked your comment… You never stop to amaze me with your words.
Be blessed, my friend… Best wishes, Aquileana 😀
Thanks @JosepGarcife for sharing this post at Twitter,
Aquileana 🙂
My mind was definitely blown when I went to the National Archaeological museum in Athens. I think I actually have pictures of that I took of many of the sculptures you’ve posted here. My favorite was the Aphrodite, Pan, and Eros because it was so playful.
Hi Jeri…
I hope you have had a nice weekend..
You have been lucky to visit Greece and particularly The National Archaeological Museum… I have been in France and saw some of the original greek sculptures (or their roman copies) when I visited The Louvre…
You are right, the sculpture of “Aphrodite, Pan, and Eros” is playful … And I would say quite naughty too! 🙂
Bets wishes and all the best to you, Aquileana 😀
Thanks @JeriWB for sharing this post at Twitter,
Aquileana 😛
It is interesting how much of beauty is cultural. Thanks for sharing.
Hello Jacqui…
You are right… The cultural factor is certainly unavoidable.
Thank you very much for dropping by.
Best wishes, Aquileana 😛
Thanks @halfeatenmind for sharing this post at Twitter,
Aquileana 😀
An excellent article, very documented. Congratulations! I enjoyed to admire these sculptures very beautiful created!
Thank you so much for sharing with us.
Have a beautiful weekend, Aquileana. ❤ 🙂
Glad to know that you enjoyed this one,dear Stefania.
Happy week ahead and all the best to you, Aquileana 😀
Reblogged this on eolo.
Thanks @FabulaGotica for reblogging this post,
Aquileana 😀
Gracias a ti también saludos@Aquileana
I alway did love these classical sculptures whether they were greek or roman of origin,xx Rachel
Me too, dear Rachel.
Thank you very much for dropping by and for your words here.
Best wishes, Aquileana 😀
Thanks @pmedwardsone for sharing this post at Twitter,
Aquileana 😛
with all due respect to Plato and although I agree that beauty is innate, I still support that beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
I do agree with you too… But well seen it does not exclude the possibility of considering Beauty as a (platonic) Form… I think we might get a sort of hybrid here. Thank you very much for dropping by, dear Carl.
Best wishes, Aquileana 😀
Wonderfully captivating information from beginning to end. and entwined with some wonderful statues .. I love how sculptures are created and so admire the skill of the artist in creating something which often looks so soft… as they chisel away stone to look like fabric from the hard marble.
Wishing you a beautiful new week Aquileana x
Hello dear Sue… I was sure that you would appreciate this post as you have the ability to see beauty among and all throughout things and days…
Thank you very much for dropping by, my dear blogger friend.
Best wishes and happy tuesday ahead to you, Aquileana 😀
A nice article. Personally, however, I think Plato was wrong. Beauty is not a concept (in the sense that it has a fixed intension and extension). Just like you cannot define a class of fear-causing objects, a class of beautiful objects cannot be defined. Beauty emerges from our perception process. I therefore think that beauty as a platonic form does not make much sense (well, Plato’s theory of the forms is debatable anywhay, but that is another topic, and an interesting one – looking forward to your articles on it ;-))
You can find my ideas about what beauty is here, maybe that is interesting for you: http://asifoscope.org/2013/05/10/on-beauty/ as well as some other articles (http://asifoscope.org/category/aesthetics/aesthetic-theory/). In my view, beauty has a lot to do with lack of perfection and incompleteness, and I think that Plato and Aristotle contributed to puting thoughts about it on a wrong track.
Nannus,
Thank you very much for adding your objections and insights as regard to Beauty…
I liked when you say that Beauty emerges from our perception process and you made me think of existentialism and particularly in Sartre but also of Phenomenology and specifically of Edmund Husserl.
The second idea (Beauty emerges from our perception process) would lead us maybe to Nietzsche’s philosophy, still I am not so sure about it.
I ‘ll make sure to visit your post very soon.
Best wishes to you, Aquileana 😀
My views have more to do with cognitive science. I think there are two main “camps” in philosophy. One looks at mental processes from the inside, from the point of view of subjective expericence, like Phenomenology and Existentialism. This is what the analytic philosophers call “continental philosophy” and all the directions you mentioned belong into this direction. The other camp, including analytical philosophy and cognitive science, looks at it from the outside. I think that both views are justified and needed and that both have their strenghts and shortcomings.
I could see that when I read the post you suggested me…
Truly interesting as I wasn’t too much in touch with that philosophical perspective.
Best regrads, Aquileana 😀
I agree with what you say here Andreas, and the notion of the “Golden Mean” is also known to be an “approximation”, not a “rule”, as even Nature itself is known to break this pattern. So even the Greek mathematicians and Renaissance artists were dealing with geometry, more so than “Golden Mean” formulas. It was not until 1180, in the Middle Ages, that the first person to apply numbers and sequence to construct the golden ratio was Leonardo of Pisa (full name, Leonardo Pisano Bigollo, lived 1180-1250). He did this through his book the Liber Abaci (book of abacus) published in 1202 under the nickname, Fibonacci (a contraction of filius Bonacci, meaning son of Bonacci).”
The issue of why is there a mathematical formula found, or at least “approximations” to create “pleasing” visual patterns which have been found in famous works of art and that may or may not be predictable in Nature and elsewhere may be a mathematician’s problem; scientific inquiries in attempts to understand these better.
Albert Einstein, in his “Living Philosophies”, said:
“The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the source of all true art and science. He to whom the emotion is a stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand wrapped in awe, is as good as dead —his eyes are closed. The insight into the mystery of life, coupled though it be with fear, has also given rise to religion. To know what is impenetrable to us really exists, manifesting itself as the highest wisdom and the most radiant beauty, which our dull faculties can comprehend only in their most primitive forms—this knowledge, this feeling is at the center of true religiousness.”
Was Einstein referring to Kant and the “sublime”? Why is it no longer “beautiful”? Why is it also now “mysterious”, what Einstein says “is the source of all true art and science”?
Just a link to an article on my philosophy-blog as a reply for the moment (I have to go to work now 🙂 so I don’t have time at this moment but I think what I wrote here might be relevant to the topic: http://creativisticphilosophy.wordpress.com/2014/02/03/some-remarks-on-heisenberg/
Thnk you very much Nannus… Best wishes to you and hope to visit you more often… Your blog is outstanding… To read with time and in depth, of course.
Aquileana 😀
Aqulieana, what an intense, organized post on beauty. Wow. The way your brain functions is totally amazing to me! I loved the sculptures for they are just so realistic. I am of the thought that beauty is really in the eyes of the beholder, yet I dare not argue with such great men. We each have our own individual tastes, and that is what makes this world so unique. I agree with symmetry and I see a lot of geometry (shapes) in my images. I am fascinated by lines and arches and how they intersect both in the forefront and the background. So I can agree with these two men, yet differ. Thank you SO much for being so smart as you are because everytime I come here I learn from you. Much Love, Amy
Hello dear Amy.
Your comment is wonderful… So impressive and touching…
I loved the way you have been able to linked Plato and Aristotle with a more subjective perspective on Beauty (I do agree with that quote too , “Beauty is in the eye of the beholder”) … I can also recognize some geometrical patterns among Nature, in flowers and leaves particularly)… You are very keen and perceptive when it comes to Photography and it bet it must be a “beautiful” experience to capture all those beautiful forms!.
All the very best to you and thanks for your kindness, my friend.
Aquileana 😛
I thank you for your kindness in return, Aquileana. Bless your Heart! Love, Amy
Thank you, dear Amy… Be blessed honey. ❤
Much love, Aquileana 😀
Aqui , what a beautiful gallery of art , sculpture and philosophy…quick visit to yours is not enough and my appetite already stands whetted for a detailed perusal of all that is so meticulously spread out . there is beauty in form and also how the harmony of parts making the form influences the beholder.
Hi there Rajagopal…
I loved your comment and I agree with you when you say that: “there is beauty in form and also how the harmony of parts making the form influences the beholder”. I agree with Plato but in some point I disagree as I think that there is an important subjective element when we experience beauty, through beautiful things and persons…
Thank you very much for dropping by.
All the very best to you, Aquileana 😛
interesting work Aquileana, big hug dear ❤
Thanks a lot dear Leyla… I am glad to know that you liked this one… Big hugs, Aquileana 😀
Wonderful article on the concept of beauty. Truly fascinating what you share with us dear Aqui. Have a wonderful week. 🙂
Thank you very much for dropping by dear D.G… I am pleased to read your words.
Happy almost weekend ahead. All the very best to you, Aquileana
Thanks @pokercubster for sharing this post at Twitter,
Aquileana 😀
Wow, what an incredible post – I sit here reading this in my “post school supply shopping” state and am in total awe of all you have written. I shall return again in the morning with a full coffee cup to read again properly! 🙂
Hi Joanne… Oh my… Thank a lot for your praise and encouragement…
It really means a lot to me to read your words above.
Best wishes to you, always, Aquileana :p
As usual, you’ve gone all out to give us a wonderful historical analysis of a beautiful culture. I love the objectivity of this art form. They truly are remarkable. Shame about the broken arms on some of them though. 🙂
Thank you very much for such a great comment. I really appreciate each one of your words here, dear Kev…
And yes, I agree with you about the missing pieces in some of these beautiful greek sculptures. It is a pitty, indeed!.
Best wishes to you, Aquileana 😛
Thanks @KevcooperKevin for sharing this post at Twitter,
Aquileana 🙂
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Aquileana 🙂
As they say ‘beauty is in the eye of the beholder’.
The sculptures and ancient buildings are extraordinary pieces of art. Plato was ahead of his time when he said beauty is in the form. Take an ordinary leaf from a plant and study it and in its simple design, there is purpose and functionality. Beauty everywhere.
Thank you Aquileana for such a thought-provoking post.
ciao
Luciana 😀
Ciao cara Luciana,
I agree with you when you highlight Plato’s perspectives on the concept of Beauty… I can even linked it to poetry and in particular with Jonh Keats’ verses: ‘Beauty is truth, truth beauty,—that is all. Ye know on earth, and all ye need to know’. (Ode on a Grecian Urn)
Thanks a lot for dropping by and for your great comment over here.
Best wishes, Aquileana 😀
Thanks @ClucianaLuciana for sharing this post at Twitter,
Aquileana 🙂
I saw the Elgin Marbles several years ago and fell in love. They’re time capsules that put form to the photographs I’d seen as a child, a long way away in Australia. Your research and writing is rich and full of life – a joy to read as always 🙂
Thanks for dropping by and sharing your personal experiences as regard to the Elgin Marbles…
Always a pleasure to read your words, and I much appreciate your support, as always!.
Best wishes, Aquileana 😀
Aaah “Venus or Aphrodite of Milo”! I admired her in Paris whenever I visited the Museum of Louvre. It’s impossible not to be in awe of this masterpiece of classical beauty, the harmony of proportions.
There is such a thing as objective beauty, but subjective beauty is just as valid, as the saying reminds us: “Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder”, which is often the case with older married couples who still see their partner as beautiful in spite of actually looking at an old, wrinkled face.
Wonderful post about the concept of beauty. Thanks, Aquileana, for putting it all together for us to enjoy.
Cheers 🙂 Irina
Thanks dear irina for the marvelous comment here…
I have also had the chance to visit the Louvre and was in awe with The Roman, etruscan and greek section!…
You are right with regard to Beauty… I would say that there are objective and subjective variables involved with the aesthetic experience… There is also an eidetic thus essence of Beauty I think, which remains unchangeable and incorruptible…
I bet you remember Shakespeare’s Sonnet 116′s verses…
Love is not love (My note: Beauty is not Beauty, maybe?)
Which alters when it alteration finds,
Or bends with the remover to remove:
O, no! it is an ever-fixed mark,
That looks on tempests and is never shaken;
I sent you a video analysis of this sonnet (verse by verse) via Twitter!…
Best wishes and hugs to you, Aquileana 😛
Oh yes, Shakespeare’s Sonnet 116 is beautiful. The video you sent me some time ago is now on my Pinterest board Poetry,so I went there to listen to it again. Just wonderful. Thanks for reminding me.
Hugs 🙂 Irina
I knew you would like it… I remember when you told me that Keats’ poem Bright Star was based on this sonnet and when I came across this video I couldn’t avoid sending it to you, my dear Irina.
Hugs and happy weekend to you, Aquileana 😛
I only remember saying that I’d written a Shakespearean sonnet myself. Then you sent me the video of Sonnet 116 and invited me to send you my sonnet “My Sweet Rose”, which was so very kind of you and such an honour for me.
I’ve just found on Google that Keats uses a Shakespearean sonnet rhyme scheme (ABAB CDCD EFEF GG) in his poem “Bright Star”, but nothing on being based on his Sonnet 116.
Btw, some time ago I found Shakespeare’s Sonnet from which I borrowed the second line for my sonnet “My Sweet Rose”. It’s Sonnet 75. I had to finally locate it for the publication of my book of poetry. I’ll soon announce its release.
Have a lovely week, Aquileana. Hugs 🙂 Irina
Hi Irina, my friend,
I read that Bright Star was based on Sonnet 116… Particularly in the second quatrain’s verses we can find Keat’s inspiration
“The second quatrain of Sonnet 116uses two metaphors to describe love, both concerned with light, navigation and the sea.
The first metaphor compares love to “an ever-fixed mark” such as a lighthouse, used by sailors during bad weather to avoid peril.
The second compares love to a star, a light in the heavens which can be used to navigate by, but “whose worth’s unknown”. This second image is the most interesting for how many decisions are made on a daily basis in the name of an emotion that is not really understood”
You can check out this excerpt on my respective post on John Keats
At:https://aquileana.wordpress.com/2013/11/30/john-keats-bright-star-sonnet-estrella-brillante-soneto/
>”As Patrick Gillespie craftily highlights on his post “Bright Star by John Keats, His Sonnet” at PoemShape.wordpress.com
“Bright Star is one of Keats’s earlier poems and I can’t help but detect the opening of Shakespeare´s Sonnet 116
Shakespeare equates love to a star and this association was surely present in Keats’ s mind from the time he first read Shakespeare’s Sonnet. That is, the star isn’t only a symbol of steadfastness and stability, but also love. And love, in Keats’s mind, is unchangeable and ever-fixèd (or else it isn’t love)”
BTW I think I have read your sonnet based on Shakespeare’s Sonnet 75, Am I right?… I wish you luck with you book ahead,dear Irina…How nice to know that!
Many hugs to you, Aquileana 😀
Dear Aquileana,
I always learn so much from you. I wasn’t aware of this analysis of Keats’ “Bright Star” in relation to Shakespeare’s Sonnet 116. Or maybe I read about it when I read your post on Keats’ but completely forgot about it. You must forgive my old brain cells!!! Well, I won’t forget it now. 🙂
My sonnet “Sweet Rose” talks about rejection and longing to reconnect with the beloved. Shakespeare’s Sonnet 43, which also talks about loss of love, provided the idea for the final couplet, and line 2 in my sonnet is almost identical to line 2 in his Sonnet 75.
Hugs 🙂 Irina
Hi Irina…Thanks for your comment …I am really pleased to know that you liked knowing about the analogy among Shakespeare and Keats…
Sonnet 43 is a very special one (http://nfs.sparknotes.com/sonnets/sonnet_43.html)
(“All days are nights to see till I see thee, And nights bright days when dreams do show thee me”).
And Sonnet 75 is also a beautiful one…
http://www.shakespeare-online.com/sonnets/75detail.html (“Thus do I pine and surfeit day by day, Or gluttoning on all, or all away”)
I loved the last couplet in both sonnets… Remarkable verses!… I think a whole universe of poetic images lays beneath them!).
Thanks for the mentions here, dear Irina as they led me to two marvelous poems by Shakespeare!.
Best wishes and hugs to you, Aquileana 😀
Thanks @kookadim for sharing this post at Twitter,
Aquileana 😛
Absolutely absorbing Aquiliana. It strikes me that neither Plato nor Aristotle would have considered Picasso’s sculpture beautiful though the Pythagorean School may well have approved of his paintings. Voltaire’s entry for Beauty in his Dictionnaire also mentions ‘to kalon’ of which he writes, “it is not the same for the English and the French”. Fo’ Sho’! I am reminded of the lovely term Joyce used in ‘Ulysses’ when he described a statue as being ‘Greekly perfect’.
An Elysian read Aqui – thank you.
Hi Mike…
I always love to read your enlightened and clever comments…
You made smile when you quoted Joyce’s way of describing Beauty… I am pretty sure he meant to describe a sort of essential experience of Beauty (Maybe in a platonic way too)… Picasso would have never been approved among ancient greeks I believe… I’d say his fate would have matched the one of Socrates and the subsequent hemlock’ sentence… !
Thanks a bunch for your ready- witted words and best wishes to you!,
Aquileana 😀
Very interesting in depth post and look at beauty. I too explored “What is Beauty” in a post on my other blog. The Greeks looked deeply into beauty through art and philosophy, but, “I find beauty to be standing in awe, feeling not a chill but a sensation, a stop in your tracks reaction, tuning out everything around my being.” Sometimes “we don’t believe something beautiful but say so anyway.” It really is complex in the way we see, experience and speak of beauty.
It is a complex issue, indeed, Donna… I believe the reason behind it might be that there are abstract or objective components but also personal and subjective variables linked to the fact of experiencing Beauty…
I would love to check out that post… If you get to read this comment, please send me the link!.
Best wishes and thanks for dropping by,
Aquileana 😀
It is not nearly as in depth as the research in your post, but I looked at beauty from a TED talk video. Here is the link to one in a series I did on creativity. http://gardenwalkgardentalk.com/2012/10/28/what-is-beauty/ Thanks for asking. I followed your blog BTW.
Donna,
Your post is amazingly beautiful and the way it is written followed by those impressive photos, touching!!!.
I appreciate a lot you told me about it and added a comment on your latest post because I felt I wanted to and the comments on the post What is beauty were closed.
I hope you don’t mind if I copy paste it and add it below here, so that way I got your link and my insights on your post, all together here.
Thanks for following my blog and for dropping by here!!! 🙂
Best wishes to you, Aquileana 😀
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Post at Garden Walk, Garden Talk (Donna’s Blog). Title: “What is Beauty?”.
Link: http://gardenwalkgardentalk.com/2012/10/28/what-is-beauty/
Comment:
Dear Donna, I have just read your oustanding and “beautiful” post on beauty and wanted to congratulate you on it (comments were closed there).
I do agree with you in many points there… The aesthetic experience is as you said both personal or indiviaul and cultural or social… The surrondings and particular circumstances also influence the way we perceive… I do think that Beauty might be a sort of hybrid which results of essential characteristics that are common among beautiful things and persons… But there is also a relative element (“The eye of the beholder” sees something or someone as beautiful…
A whole concept of Beauty would include two pair of dimensions: body and soul (people) And: shape and content (things) …
In the first case, beauty might be related with Godness and that would entrain an etical psychological perspective…
In the second case, beautiful things seems to be, at least for me, uninterested… Those things would include art and nature… And would toss aside the functionality, utility or aim of a thing (artifact).
Finally I think that we are surrounded by beauty… We just need to look closer and we will be able to find it even among darkness and not so purely beautiful things…
Thank you very much for sharing that post with me… Reading it was wonderful and I couldn’t believe how well your post and mine fit one with the other!. Best wishes, Aquileana.
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I’m in awe of the breadth of knowledge and information you’ve shared here. I knew so little before I read this and now , even dwarfed by the abundance of clarity you clearly possess ….. I feel enlightened . Thank you !
Why thank you, Moonstruck for such an uplifting and beautiful comment.. I am pleased to reda your words here and happy to know that you enjoyed this post!…
All the very best to you and thanks again,
Aquileana 😀
Beauty can be very subjective. There are people I think are beautiful that others don’t. I think symmetry definitely plays a role. But sometimes it’s something almost intangible that makes someone truly beautiful. 🙂
I agree with you Kourt.. there are objective and subjective elements involved with the aesthetic experience…
My approach (as yours) is quite eclectic…
It is nice to mix up all this philosophical approaches to make one that fits us perfectly, isn’t it?
Thank you very much for your marvelous comment.
All the very best to you, hugs, Aquileana 😀
Aquileana you have so much knowledge and your posts so eloquently written. I am learning from you and will be looking at these statue and their beauty from a new, more understanding, vantage point. thank you.
Thank you very much, dear Sue for those nice words.. I really appreciate them and I am truly happy that you enjoyed the reading here.
Hope you have a great tuesday ahead, all my best wishes, Aquileana 😛
This is where I live…..”Beauty is itself invisible, eternal, and unchanging”….I believe that it is exemplified in the breath that happens just before we utter adorations toward a work of art. Stunning post.
Thus I would say your perspective of Beauty and the aesthetic experience is clearly platonic…
Beauty is an unchangeable and incorruptible Form (Idea) and all beautiful things participate on it somehow.
Thank you very much for the clever comment here!,
best wishes, Aquileana 😀
Thanks @linneatanner for sharing this post at Twitter,
Aquileana 😛
Querida amiga,tu estúpendo trabajo lo leí antes de mi viaje, ahora que regreso, te anoto mi admiración por tratar temas complejos con una sencillez que facilita la comprensión de temas que la misma misma filosofía aborda. Es admirable la cultura y no queda uno más que doblar la testa, ofreciendo una genuina admiración a sus artistas y pensadores. Ah lo bello tiene la armonía de la vida… gracias por compartir… besos y tu ramo de rosas.
Querido Rub,
Tus palabras, apoyo, rosas y amistad son los mejores regalos.
Encantada de leer tu comentario esta noche.
Muchas gracias por el tiempo que me has dedicado.
Un abrazo grande, Aquileana 😀
I find the connections between mathematics and beauty fascinating. Music is also quite mathematical.
Hi dear Clowie, You are quite right… There is a mathematical element in music, given by
rhythm and cadency…
I hope you have a great day!… Best wishes, Aquileana 😀
Buenas tardes, os he nominado al premio Dardos, en reconocimiento a vuestras letras. Saludos. http://elbesoenelespejo.wordpress.com/2014/08/21/premio-dardos-darts-award/
Muchas gracias por el reconocimiento. Un gran saludo, Aquileana 😀
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A very well documented post as usual Aquileana. Obviously, greek representation of beauty has influenced the conception of the beauty all over the world and it’s a rule to calculate and format the shape of beauty. I have seen a tv documentary on the beauty revealed by the golden ratio and so on.
Whatsoever, what about the invisible beauty we can’t explain, that escape the criteria established through the ages by philosophers or scientits ? Does the beauty escape to the influence of the collective unconscious ?
Hi dear Nadia… Such a clever and interesting comment.
You are right with regard to the mathematical idea behind Beauty. And, a clear example, would have been Michelangelo and other artists from the Renaissance.
As to that invisible Beauty that can’t be explained, I would relate it to a subjective idea of what beauty itself entrains or the way it is depicted for each one of us. The ancient greek motto: “Beauty is in the eye of the beholder” is quite eloquent in this sense I would say.
And finally I think that as we are culturally defined there must be a sort of Universal Pattern of Beauty in collective unconscious… Probably an Idea of Beauty, in a platonic sense. An incorruptible form, eternal, unconditional and independent of its physical manifestation.
Thank you very much for dropping by!. I truly appreciate your feedback here. All the best to you and happy week!. Aquileana 😛
Thanks for your very clever posts also Aquileana. 🙂
I wish you a happy week and see you soon !
Kiss
Thank you very much dear Nadia
Hugs!… Enjoy your thursday ahead, Aquileana 😀
I enjoyed reading this one – about how beauty is the basis for seeing: through the conscious and unconscious. 🙂
Well stated… By the way, “Beauty is in the eye of the beholder” is such a powerful statement, don’t you think?… thanks Mikavelli for your visit and comment!… Sending you all my best wishes!. Aquileana ⭐
It definitely is! I think it’s called an “aesthete” – one who sees beauty in everything 🙂
Good point Mikavelli! ~ Have a great day! Aquileana 😀
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The Greeks had such an eye for detail! 🙂
I totally second your statement… Thank you very much, dear Kev.
Best wishes… Enjoy your weekend ahead, Aquileana 😀
You too, Aquileana! 🙂