►Greek Mythology: “Pandora and Helen of Troy, Misogynistic Stereotypes” /
“Collaboration with Carolee Croft”🍎:

“Pandora” by John William Waterhouse. 1896.
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“With the curse, comes a blessing. Zeus wanted to punish humanity by creating you, the first woman, and by giving you that box filled with curses such as illness, war, and poverty. But if you look inside the box, one thing remains. It is hope”… (“After the Evil Spirits are Unleashed”. Carolee Croft).-
⇒♦ Introduction and Sketch of this post:
Greece is widely known as the birthplace of democracy, freedom of speech and thought, and egalitarian life. But in ancient Greece, women had no political or social rights. In Ancient Greece, males hold primary power and predominate in roles of political leadership, political and social privileges and authority. This, in practice came along with prejudices against women, belittling of women, and their exclusion, and Misogyny in many ways.
In ancient Greek mythology, two of the female characters who fit (and fed) this patriarchal model are Pandora and Helen of Troy.
Both, the myths of Helen of Troy and Pandora spring from cultural anxieties about female beauty and female sexuality, centered on the figure of the Parthenos – the girl at marriageable age, a figure who must cross from the world of childhood in her father’s house to the house of her husband. Both women cause tremendous damage, even to people beyond their immediate surroundings.
1. ⇒♦ Women, according to Hesiod, Aristotle and Plato:
2. ⇒♦ Women in Ancient Greece:
3. ⇒♦ Pandora:
As punishment for these rebellious acts, Zeus sent him a woman made of clay named Pandora. Zeus gave her a box (or jar) and forbade her from opening it. Then he sent her down to earth, where her curiosity led her to open the lid. When she did, all other misfortunes fled out.


4. ⇒♦ Helen of Troy:
Helen of Troy, also known as “the Face that Launched a Thousand Ships”, was the stunningly beautiful mortal, daughter of Zeus and Leda. She came out of the same egg as her mortal sister Clytemnestra and she also had two brothers, the twins Castor and Pollux.
Helen’s name, which sounds similar to the word for Greece (Hellas), but also to a verb “to destroy”. This was exploited particularly by Aeschylus, who sees Helen as the “ship-destroyer, man-destroyer, city-destroyer”.
Back to Helen, it seems that Zeus wanted to reduce the human population, so he arranged for the birth of the two characters who would make the Trojan War inevitable: Achilles and Helen, representing “seductive female beauty and destructive male strength”. They have in common an extraordinary self-awareness and concern for their future reputations in myth and legend. Both were half-human, half-divine, Achilles being the son of the mortal Peleus by the sea-goddess Thetis, and Helen the daughter of Zeus in the form of a swan and of the Spartan queen Leda.
Owing to this parentage, she hatched from an egg – the first mark of her unusual, not-quite-human status. Helen is the only female child of Zeus by a mortal woman, an exceptional woman in this as in every other respect. Other versions of the myth suggest that she was the daughter of Nemesis, or “Destruction”.
From a young age, Helen was prone to getting abducted. When she was seven years old, the Athenian hero Theseus swiped her, but she was retrieved by her brothers, Castor and Pollux.
Years later, suitors from all over Greece began to court her, and took an oath that they would all fight together for her eventual husband Menelaus, whose main claim to fame was his wealth, won Helen as his wife.
Soon after, the Trojan prince named Paris was appointed to judge between three goddesses, Hera, Athena, and Aphrodite. He chose Aphrodite, goddess of love, and gave her the Golden Apple which was labeled “To the Fairest”. But, as Helen was already married, Paris (Menelaus´s brother), Agamemnon commanded the united Greek armed forces in the ensuing Trojan War. In the ensuing Trojan War, Hera and Athena were implacable enemies of Troy while Aphrodite was loyal to Paris and the Trojans.
The Greek texts seem constantly to return to the issue of Helen’s responsibility for her actions. Homer depicts her as a wistful, even a sorrowful, figure, coming to regret her choice and wishing to reunite with Menelaus. But Sappho argues that Helen willingly left behind Menelaus to be with Paris.
⇒♦ Conclusion:
Ancient Greece had periods of intense patriarchy.
Greek mythology started out as being more feminine, particularly during the Minoan Age (2000-1400 BC). But, with the spread of the Indo-European groups become more masculine
During the Classic period (500-336 BC), Athena was the most important goddess.
This could be understood to be in accordance with a Patriarchal Society. As a matter of fact, Athena was born solely of her father, Zeus. As Georgia Platts says in her post “When Gods were Mothers”: “In Greek mythology Zeus planted his seed in the goddess Metis. But he feared a prophecy warning that his children would become more powerful than he. So he swallowed Metis. Which created an enormous headache. Only a double-headed ax implanted in his skull could relieve the pain. And out leapt Athena, fully grown and armed”.
And, as a Warrior Goddess, Athena mostly identifies with men. In Aeschylus’s “Eumenides”; Athena says, “There is no mother anywhere who gave me birth, and, but for marriage, I am always for the male with all my heart, and strongly on my father’s side”.
This association with males being the creative force of society is not accidental, as males were considered the civilizing and productive force of society.
In this same line, Pandora and Helen of Troy are part of a social and political system that tended to identify the world’s evils and destruction with women. These legitimizing discourses concurrently provided men with certain “criteria for entitlement”, meaning a strong, natural right of their primacy above women.
During the Hellenistic period (336-146 BC), and, as the culture shifts, Aphrodite replaces Athena. Aphrodite, Goddess of Love and Beauty, was born from the white foam produced by the severed genitals of Uranus (Heaven), after his son Cronus threw them into the sea. Although she was also born of male alone, she was worshipped as one of the most important goddesses of the time and was depicted in many art works as the ideal woman, nude for the first time in history. She presided over sexuality and reproduction, necessary for the continuation of the community. Maybe that´s why Aphrodite was majorly worshipped by young women about to be married. And even courtesans and prostitutes. The close bond that the Greek felt to exist between fertility and the fruitfulness of the land lies behind Aphrodite´s connections with vegetation and the earth in general. By this time, love and partnership were seen as more important than containing or controlling women.
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► “After the Evil Spirits are Unleashed”, by Carolee Croft:
Pandora didn’t know what happened when she opened the box, but suddenly everything seemed different. There were footsteps in the hallway, and soon a young handmaiden burst into her luxurious chamber.
“The evil spirits are upon us!” her handmaiden cried, then fled from the room in a frenzy.
Pandora sensed the danger, but at the same time a strange feeling of satisfaction came over her. At least she had done something.
The gods had blessed her with many gifts: beauty, a quick and clever mind, the skill of weaving and sewing. This was all well and good, but she could only occupy so much of her time with crafts. A mind like hers needed stimulation, and there was no stimulation to be had when she had about as much freedom as a footstool. She was not allowed to hunt, nor to sit on the councils, not even to leave the palace grounds without her husband’s permission and an entourage of ladies.
Was it curiosity that had made her open the lid of the box or just boredom?.
Either way, the spirits were unleashed, and now screams of panic reached even her secluded boudoir.
She always had to wait in her chamber until her husband, Epimetheus, would deign to visit. Now, he would probably blame her for this disaster. He was going to kill her!
The panic around her was contagious. She ran to secure the back door, then the front. At least for the moment, she would be safe.
Pandora collapsed onto the floor and sat huddled against the wall with her head in her heads, her eyes closed to block out the world. She knew it was useless to lock herself in. Soon the curse of the gods would be upon her too, not to mention the rage of the entire human race.
Then she heard a soft rustle and looked up to find another handmaiden in her chamber.
“How did you?… I locked all the doors”.
Then she realized, this handmaiden was amazingly tall and beautiful, and she had never seen her before around the palace. The scent of ambrosia radiated from her powerful looking figure.
One of the gods was in her chamber.
“Pandora, do not fear. It is I, Athena”.
“Why do you come here?” Pandora asked, not quite believing she was safe from the gods’ wrath.
“I came to give you good news. The box was always meant to be opened. Why do you think Zeus entrusted it to you? This is all part of a grudge he bears mortals.”
“How is that good?”
“Come over here,” the goddess picked up the box and beckoned her over to sit beside her on the pillows of the kline.
Pandora obeyed, wiping away tears of despair.
“With the curse, comes a blessing. Zeus wanted to punish humanity by creating you, the first woman, and by giving you that box filled with curses such as illness, war, and poverty. But if you look inside the box, one thing remains. It is hope. Now, close your eyes, and you will see what I mean.”
Pandora closed her eyes, and suddenly a flurry of visions exploded in her mind. Endless generations of women, of which she was the first. Some lived in strife, but others found peace and even happiness with the men in their lives. Marriage was not always an oppressive duty. Many women would also be free of men’s oppression, but even the ones who were not completely free seemed to find ways to influence their husbands and sometimes get their own way. It was a sort of game, she realized.
She saw women using their wits to persuade men to do their bidding. She saw women raising their children and passing down knowledge. She saw women ruling nations. She saw women saving lives. These women were never powerless.
She opened her eyes. The goddess was gone, and now she understood what Athena wanted to tell her.
Then she heard a loud knocking on the door.
“What is the meaning of this?” her husband’s voice pronounced. “Come out here at once, woman!”.
No longer afraid, she went to the mirror and checked that her hair was absolutely perfect, then unlocked the door and opened it.
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“Pandora”, by Lawrence Alma-Tadema. 20th century.
►About Carolee Croft:
Carolee Dixit: Enchanted by romance on page and screen, I have always tried to write my own versions of the perfect fairytale. As for real life, I believe I may have already found the man of my dreams, but I still haven’t found the dog of my dreams. I’m obsessed with Italian greyhounds. I can usually be found enjoying the outdoors or relaxing with a good book on the West Coast of Canada.
🌟💫Connect with Carolee: Blog, Amazon Author Page, Twitter, Facebook, and Goodreads.

Carolee Croft on WordPress: https://caroleecroft.wordpress.com/
►An excerpt from Carolee Croft´s latest book, “Ariella´s Escape”:
Set in a medieval fantasy world, this is the story of Ariella, a lady warrior who is entertained by a male slave while on a dangerous mission.
(Note: The excerpt is the slideshare below, divided in three parts. Press Pause ⏸️ to get to read each part, starting with 1; and then click on ▶️ to move on).
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⇒Links Post:
https://goo.gl/E6Y3udh
http://www2.ivcc.edu/gen2002/greek_and_roman_women.htm
https://broadblogs.com/2015/05/07/when-gods-were-mothers/
http://www.nybooks.com/articles/1984/10/25/platos-women/
https://www.classicsnetwork.com/essays/the-nature-of-women-in-plato-and/786
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►La Poesía no Muerde. Two Poems:
I am very happy to tell you that my poems “Vértigo” (“Vertigo”) and “El Espacio de tu Ausencia” (“The Space of your Absence”) were featured at “La Poesía no Muerde”.
“La Poesía no Muerde” is a blog hosted by Hélène Laurent. It is a collective blog in Spanish which Poetry prompts are usually triggered by images that might lead to poems or poems that wait to be illustrated with images. In the case of the “magazines”, audio/videos are included. The videos are created by Hélène Laurent and, usually, each member reads his own poems. You can check out my two poems (In Spanish) in this post and over here. I am adding below the two poems, translated to English and the audio/video for “El Espacio de Tu Ausencia”, in Spanish.
Make sure to follow La Poesía no Muerde. If you want to submit a poem, contact me in the Welcome page or leave a comment so I can provide a translation to Spanish, as it is the main language for the blog. I´ll gladly do so!. 🙂
🌟💫Blog: La Poesía no Muerde. Facebook. Twitter. /// Hélène Laurent: Blog (Desenredo), Facebook. Twitter.
“Vertigo” and “The Space of your Absence”:
(Click on the screenshots for bigger, full resolution)
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I was delighted to be over at Esmé´s blog “The Recipe Hunter” to share a tasty recipe. This is such a great blog for all Food Lovers!. You can find many easy, delicious and healthy dishes. Here is my post: “Spanish Paella (Rice with Seafood)”.
🌟💫 Make sure to check out Esme´s blog and follow her there and on Social Media: Blog: The Recipe Hunter. Twitter. Facebook. Instagram.

The Recipe Hunter: https://cookandenjoyrecipes.wordpress.com
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►“Two Special Shout-Outs”:
I would like to thank Debi Riley and Jason Youngman for these special posts on their blogs.
Jason´s post: “Be Grateful – Not Hateful. Canticle of the Sun”.- (Thank you, Jason for the note you sent me as to the Canticle and for sharing your amazing reading of Eliot´s “Four Quartets”).
Debi´s post: “Palette Knife Acrylic Abstract… Scorched Wings of Icarus”.- (thank you Debi for the shout-out and for sharing such sublime Artwork. Brilliant!)
Both are very talented, prolific and talented artists. Please make sure to check out their blogs and follow them!.🌟💫
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Last post of the year!. Thank you to all my readers.
Wishing you Merry Christmas & all the best for 2018! 😀
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beauty and strength closed in one woman
knock down millions.
I couldn´t agree more with you! 😉 Thank you very much, Love & best wishes 🙂 🙂
Que entrada mas fascinante! Me encanto leerla. Es tan interesante saber mas de la posicion de las mujeres en la sociedad anciana Griega. Parece que no importa donde pero en cualquier sociedad patriarchal los hombres creen mitologia negativa tratando de las mujeres. El mito de Pandora realmente es tan parecido al mito de Eve y las creencias negativas de los griegos ancianos son tan parecidos a los de otras culturas patriarchales. Jesus Cristo fue un poco distinto tenia un poquito de feminista y uno de sus dichos mas famosos “Let him who hath no sin cast the first stone” esta luchando contra la demonisacion de las mujeres y la sexualidad feminina. Perdon para mi ausencia de WordPress he estado muy ocupada con intentando de conseguir un puesto como corresponsal de salud mental en la BBC. No tendre ese trabajo para bastante tiempo pero las cosas muevan en direccion positiva. Muchas gracias para todo tu apollo por mi blog. Feliz Navidad un beso Caroline xx
Muchas gracias por tu inteligente comentario, querida Caroline… Me alegra tanto leerte!. Estoy de acuerdo: las mitologías han contribuido ha crear una imagen negativa d la Mujer, asociándola con el Pecado, la desobediencia y la Maldad… Es interesante lo que destacabas de Jesús. Algunos dicen que fue el primer revolucionario de la Historia… Y en cierto sentido lo fue. LO que destacabas respecto a la Mujer en términos generales es un claro ejemplo. Mucha suerte con tus proyectos, amiga. Me alegro de que tu carrera como periodista y escritora haya despegado y funcione tan bien!… Un abrazo. Feliz Navidad 😀 🤶💕♨️
Hugs! ❤
Hugs back! 😀
I love Greek Mythology nice post 👍👍
Thank you very much, So glad to know that you like Greek Mythology. I really appreciate your words. 🙂 Love & best wishes 🙂
Another epic piece Aqui..
Thank you very much, Michnavs!!! Happy Sunday. Love and best wishes 🙂 xx
Reblogged this on newauthoronline and commented:
An interesting post on the role of women (particularly Helen of Troy and Pandora) as portrayed in Greek Mythology, followed by a story imagining what happens after Pandora opens the box which released evil upon the world.
Thanks so much for sharing dear Kevin!… Means a lot… Love & best wishes! 🙂 ❤
Buenos dias! Me llamo Roberto, y yo soy diferente de los otros. Tengo un pene, como macho, pero al dentro, yo soy chica. Ahora mismo, yo comprendo y me siento que “I am gay!” Esta manana es una experiencia nueva porque por fin yo SE lo que yo soy. Me entiendes? A mi me gustaria mucho escucharte mas y recibir la verdad tuya. No me gustaria hablar con Massimo a WordPress. De todos modos, yo trato de hablar contiga. Tengo mucho, mucho miedo! Yo necisito alguien como ti para escucharme y darme palabras bonitos. Espero que no soy un retrasado mental, o qualquier nombre que se usa ahora. Muchas gracias, y me encanta leer tus “posts.” Yo trato de sonrire (“to smile”). Con carino, tu Roberto en les EEUU.
Hola Roberto;
Sexuality is a complex thing. I don´t see anything wrong with being gay. But maybe more with the fact that you seem to just “acknowledge” it… In a quite sudden way… And that could entail conflicts and turmoil within yourself.
I don´t communicate personally with bloggers, except in a cases or given certain circumstances, such as a collaboration.
Anyway, you can discuss with me as to this issue in this post: https://aquileana.wordpress.com/2008/04/06/psicoanalisis-sigmund-freud-complejo-de-edipo/ Love & best wishes 🙂
As usual (and as one who knows very little about Greek mythology), my head is spinning. Cheers to you and Carolee collaborating. All the best holiday wishes to you … Merry Christmas.
Thank you very much, dear Frank. From Carolee as well… So glad to know that you enjoyed the collaboration… We are getting closer to Christmas: unbelievable! :D.. Love & best wishes 🙂 ❤
Well stated. Interestingly, my current post (On Green) is a collaboration.
I will check it out! 😀 😉
Pandora’s Box is quite a concept. Like no other. Thanks for the reminder.
I absolutely agree with you!. Thank you very much, dear Jacqui… have a great week. Love & best wishes 🙂 ❤
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Thanks so much for sharing, my friend!… I really appreciate your support… Love & best wishes! 🙂 ❤
As for me ❤❤❤
Hugs! 😀 ❤
I have known many Pandoras in my life. They were great teachers. Not in the ways of books, but rather in hesitation and wonder; in those unclear moments that lead to unexpected consequences. Men are but ships passing beneath the moon, caught in the flow and in the end very often only drunken clowns. Thanks. Duke
Hi Duke… I like reading your thoughts… I think that certain features can apply to both men and women… Although, from a mythological, social, cultural… and even religious point of view women have been neglected and underestimated to say the least. IT is interesting that you mention “the Moon”, as it is relate to Women (Artemis) while the Sun (Apollo) is related to men. Thanks so much fro your comment here. Love & best wishes 😀 😉
Je te souhaite une belle soirée ainsi qu’un beau mois de décembre….Bisous https://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/875789IMG9395.jpg
Salu cher Georges, je te remercie, mon ami… Bon mois de décembre!. Biosus. 😀 ❤
Found out so much 😀
So glad to read that, dear Alex!. Thank you! Love & best wishes 🙂 ❤
Greek Mythology is always so charming…I like it because it reflects the nature and the human society
I agree with you… Mythology is a reflection of what we are, as It is related to the Collective Unconsciousness. Thanks so much for dropping in and for the comment. Love & best wishes 🙂 ❤
Thank you! Best wishes 2 u 2🌕
❤ 😀 xx
Amazing as always. I’m in awe just thinking of how much effort you’ve put into your posts. On a side note, have you read Hamlet’s Mill? It’s about the ancients using myth for the transmission of human knowlege, particularly celestial cosmology.
Thanks so much, Rob!!!… No, I haven´t read it… But I will look for information concerning it online… sounds really interesting!. Thank you for the recommendation, visit & comment… Love & best wishes 😀
Wonderfully researched, beautifully illustrated, this post is a work of art in itself. Congratulations to all concerned.
Thanks so much dear Susan… for dropping in and for the comment. So glad to know that you enjoyed thhis collaboration with Carolee… Love & best wishes 🙂 ❤
Congrats on the poems Aquileana – and thanks to Carolee for her words. Wishing you all a merry Christmas and a successful New Year ahead 🙂
I am sure Carolee will apprecaite it… Her brief story is excellent.
Merry Christmas in advance and all the best for 2018!… Sending love ❤
Just fascinating, as always!
Love & best wishes
Thank you very much, dear Úrsula… So glad to know that you enjoyed it…Sending love & best wishes 🙂 ❤
My best wishes for you too!
Enjoyed reading the interpretations of the story of Pandora and Helen of Troy which described these women in a light different from the patriarchal interpretation that confined them in strictly defined roles.
Thanks so much deat Somali… for such a well penned comment and for your accurate insights. Sending love & best wishes 🙂 ❤
I have the feeling that those among us,- man or women- who are looked down to and have continuously to fight for their rights become much more strong than those who live an easy life. Thank you so much , dear Aquileana, for your highly interesting post.:)
You are right, Martina… Woefully Human Rights are not so “general” as we could have expected and wished. Education is still something that many women don´t have access to in the Middle East, for instance.That´s something we all need to fight for, despite our particular situation… Thanks so much for dropping in and for sharing your thoughts, my friend. Sending love & best wishes 🙂 ❤
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❤ xx 🙂
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Very informative, engaging and accessible …
Thanks so much for sharing, dear Neo-Pelagius… I really appreciate it!. Love & best wishes! 🙂 ❤
very interesting post, thanks for sharing. I love the old Greek mythology a lot.
Thanks so much for your words, dear Taphian!. So glad to know that you enjoyed it… . Love & best wishes 🙂 ❤
Thank you for your kind wishes. I am just occupied with Greek mythology myself. Will post soon. 🙂
Sounds great!… If you want, add me the link here as a comment! 😀 ❤
A wonderful collaboration! I had been reading up on women in mythology and the patriarchal system of beliefs so this one is right up my recent reading alley. I am glad to learn that the themes of love and partnership prevailed. Carolee, you are so imaginative! And Aquileana you make the myths easier to read with how you write them. This one is going into my Friday roundup post 🙂 Well done, ladies!
Glad you enjoyed it, Christy. This myth is so evocative in feeding the imagination. I couldn’t help but wonder how Pandora felt when she opened that box and realized what happened. There must have been a moment of “Oh s%#@”.
Wow. So great to know that we´ll be in the roundup. Thanks so much, Chris. That really means a lot. Such an honor! ❤
So good to know that you are reading about Women vs Patriarchal System in Ancient Greece. Please, let me know which are your recommendations.
I am glad that at the end a more equal idea of Love prevailed, as the conclusion of the most highlights. And thank you for reading it in detail. Very appreciative. I agree with you as to Carolee´s piece. Her story is hopeful and positive… and yet from a critic (not naive) point of view. Sending love & hugs!! 😀
Yes exactly about Carolee’s story! And your words to me make my heart full, Aqui. Thanks for the beautiful comment in return xo Love and hugs – YES!
❤ xoxo ❤
A beautiful collaboration you two. Such amazing artwork and links! Just lovely.
Thank you Aquileana and Carolee.
Thank you very much, dear Holly.. I am thrilled to know that you enjoyed
our collaboration! have a great week ahead. Love & best wishes 🙂 ❤
I love the article very much. I’m always astonished at the complexity involved with your gorgeous posts! You rock ‘ Aquileana! 😊🌸❤️🦋
Thank you dear friend.. Coming from you, it means a lot! 😀 ❤ Happy week ahead!
Hope you week is amazing dear friend! 🙂 ❤
Thank you, dear Holly… The very same for you, my friend 😀 ❤
Thank you so much for reading!
Would not miss that!
Beautiful post, my dear Aquileana
Thank you very much, dear Leyla. Sending love & best wishes, my friend 🙂 ❤
Another wonderful piece of history. Thank you Amalia and Carolee🌻👌👍
Thank you very much, dear Gene, from Carolee & me… I am glad to know that you enjoyed our collaboration!. Love & best wishes 😀 ❤
I think many men still think women are a necessary evil. I’m reminded of Christina Onassis’ fight to gain her inheritance from her guardians. Or perhaps that was her daughter.
A good example… and a sad reminder. Even if we´ve reached many achievements, there is still a long path ahead when it comes to Equality… thanks so much for the comment!. Love & best wishes 😀 ❤
Reblogged this on Carolee Croft and commented:
I wrote a short story about Pandora, the first woman in Greek Mythology, as part of Aquileana’s visually stunning and informative post on trouble-making ladies and misogyny in Ancient Greece…
Thanks so much for your great story… It is brilliant dear Carolee!… It was a pleasure to work with you in this post… I like how you subtly question the validity of the Patriarchy at the end of the story… Yes: there is always hope at the end, change is, most times, a good thing… Hugs and best wishes 😀 ❤
Thank you so much for having me, Aquileana. As with all my stories, I like to end it on a positive note, and to inspire women. When I was growing up I felt there were not enough stories with female heroines who had any kind of important role to play in the plot. It’s getting a bit better these days, so I do whatever I can to contribute 🙂
Thank you so much for hosting me, Aquileana! As usual, you’ve done a fabulous job explaining the myths and their significance. And the layout is beautiful. I feel like I’m in a Greek temple when I visit your blog 🙂
It was a real honor, dear Carolee. I hope that you write the sequel someday! 😀 Thank you very much for your words and for the great contribution! Love & best wishes 🙂 ❤
Another informative work of art. Thank you, ladies.
Thank you very much, Very appreciated… Love & best wishes 🙂 ❤
Aqui, your poetry is so epic! I loved the images and the rhythm. It was cool to hear it spoken in your voice too.
Thank you very much, dear Carolee…So glad to know that you enjoyed it… and liked the audio too.. Sending love! 😀 xx
Ladies, you have excelled yourselves. A brilliant post on women and then one of Carolee’s delicious tellings. I bow to you both xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Thank you very much, dear, awesome She… We are thrilled to have you here and to know that you enjoyed the collaboration. Love & best wishes, from Carolee & I 😀
I suspect men in general still feel woman are not their equal and I fear to their own detriment, that’s because I feel most women really are smarter than most men. That being said, it should be noted that I also feel men are probably more devious which may account for why so many of them are in power. No wonder our world is in such a mess! 😀
Interesting! (no surprises, coming from you!)… Women have proven they can equal men … and even surpass them. No wonder why many countries have or had female presidents.. I bring this to consideration because less than a century ago women were not even allowed to vote. I think there are still things to work on, though. Thanks so much for dropping in. Love & best wishes 😉 ❤
Women have made tremendous strides in many areas, particularly so in the political arena. But as you said, there is a lot of work still to be done. ‘O)
I agree!… ((Yes & yes, my friend!)). Thank you very much! 😀 xx
You’re welcome, Aquileana. ‘O)
Thousands of years later and we’re still trying to over the archaic, incorrect biases of the past. Unbelievable. Wonderful and insightful, and a bit maddening! Lol. Thanks, Aquileana and Carolee, for the informative and creative post. 😀
I know right!?… I feel that we achieved many things… But there is still a path ahead when it comes to equality… and that has to do with a certain biased patriarchal perception: stereotypes, mainly. Thank you very much for dropping in and for the comment, dear Diana! Love! 😀
An absolutely fascinating post, my friend! “The beautiful-evil thing”… That just leaves me baffled.
I know right, sigh!?… let me know if you have a post on this issue. Eve, women and so on, as I´d love to read it. Love & best wishes, dear John 😀
I haven’t, but I did do a post titled “The Woman Who Stabbed the Gods in the Eyes”
Sounds very interesting I´ll look for it (probably tomorrow or in the next few days!) !! Thank you John ❤ xx
Always a wonderful treasure one finds here. ❤
Thank you very much, dear Maverick.. What a beautiful thing to read! 😀 Love & best wishes ❤
Thoroughly enjoyed all aspects of this post. Have a wonderful Christmas and New Year. See you here again in 2018.
So glad to know that you found it interesting…. Thanks so much… Love & best wishes, Merry Christmas & happy New Year! ❤ 🙂
Exceptional as usual, Aqui. You never fail to educate and entertain. Wonderful post!
Thank you very much, dear Sylver ❤ Your words really mean a lot to me. Wishing you a great day. Love across the miles 😀
You’re welcome, dear Aqui ❤️ always appreciative of you. Much love and have a great week 😊
Much love back!!! ❤ xx
Another wonderfully researched post Aquileana 🤓 many smiles hedy ☺️😀
Thank you very much, dear Hedy! 😀 So happy to know that you enjoyed the post… Wishing you a great day. Sending love ❤
Until all women claim their sense of self, free from constraint, censure and mediocrity we shall continue to be aware of such myths. As simple as this sounds we, women, hold the power of equality within our hands.
A great collaboration, Aquileana and Carolee. 🙂
Great points, dear Carolyn… Even if we live in countries which tend to be relatively fair with women (unlike the Eastern countries)… at the end, attitude and our inner core reveals our place within society.. and our roles. That´s why I´d say that, apart for the “social” status, this issue has to do with each one of us… Thanks so much for the great comment. I also thank you on Carolee´s behalf for your words. Love & best wishes ❤
You are such a wise young women! ❤
Aww!… Much love, Carolyn! 💞
Aquileana, you are a marvelous teacher. I enjoy your posts so much. This is a lovely collaboration. Congrats to you both! Hugs
Thank you very much, dear Teagan… Thrilled to read your words! 😀 Hugs back— ❤
Very nice post. I liked the tie-in to Eve, something I’d not previously considered but should have, and the tale of hope (I presume — but don’t know — that’s not a canonical version as I don’t recall Athena making an appearance). In all fairness, not that prophetic a vision of hope as still so many women see little of it.
I personally think the gift of hope should be considered just a different evil Zeus saw fit to inflict on humanity as — again — so few of the billions of hopes of humankind come to fruition. A particularly cruel evil because it often keeps people trapped in inaction or untenable situations instead of being agents of change.
But then, that’s what all gods have done and continue to offer humankind . . . an illusion borne of empty promises. One (me) might say of hope that it’s akin to the pacifier one gives a baby . . .
This is a very interesting comment, dear Disperser.
Athena appears in Carolee´s brief story. Not in the myth. (It has to do with the fact that I mentioned her in the conclusion of my post)
I agree with you… Hope could be “an illusion borne of empty promises”…
You reminded me of a quote (I have recently read: wrongly attributed to Marx) “Religion is the opium of People”… In many cases, religion and its consequent “hopes” and promises might be based on others´ignorance.
That´s why Science and Religion might be considered opposite poles.
Sometimes you do not have to be totally skeptical tin order to be able to discern, though… But.. most times being to hopeful can be a sign of naivety, yes. And even a way to legitimize things, being comfortably trapped in inaction… Waiting for things to miraculously change.
Excellent to read your clever and accurate insights here. Thank you very much. Love & best wishes 😀
Marvellous post from you both. ❤ Happy Christmas Aquileana and all the very sparkly best for 2018. Xx
So glad to know that you found it interesting, dear Jane…. Thanks so much for the commen & wishes… Love & best wishes, Merry Christmas & happy New Year! ❤ 🙂
I have really enjoyed reading this interpretation of Pandora. It sounds convincing and convenient to me. Saludos.
Thank you very much, dear Amira… Thrilled to read your words: I really appreciate the comment. Love & best wishes 🙂
Wonderful as always. I dated a very handsome Greek Cypriot back in the day. He was distinctly old-fashioned and wanted to ask my mum if he could court me. He disapproved of my wild ways and I bid him adieu. ❤️
Well you deserved better…. Your freedom and self worth above everything (even if he was very handsome, quite a pity!) 😀 hugs and best wishes. 🙂
Can you believe I did not know the history behind Pandora’s box? Amazing how we can use a phrase or cliche for decades and not even understand it. Well speaking personally anyway. Again I love the outline at the beginning of the post which I find helpful each time in your work. Congratulations on an excellent collaboration.
Hi Sue, Great that you learned about Pandora´s box… (some say it could have been a “jar” instead)… I am so glad that you enjoyed the reading and I good to know that the outline works for well. Hugs and best wishes 😀
The myths provide the genesis of the real world in a cloak. Your use of mythology is an apt way to give us a view of storytelling that engages. Happy holiday season and keep giving us much to ponder.
Thanks so much dear Sally!… It is so nice to read such encouraging words, my friend. Love & best wishes 😀 ❤
The saddest thing of all is that, after all this time, women are still considered somewhat inferior to men, even in the western world, which is reflected on unequal pay and opportunities for promotion. Change is indeed very slow, but hopefully unstoppable.
So true… Sigh!… we´ve come a long way though… and still there are still prejudices and misogynist perceptions. But being aware of this and trying to set up more equitable parameters, through little daily actions could make a difference in the long term!… Thanks so much for dropping in and for the comment dear Fatima. Love & best wishes 😀 ❤
We’ll get there, pasito a pasito….❤
Haha (suave… suavecito!) 😀
Very interesting – I was particularly interested in the lives of women in ancient Greece.
Thank you very much dear Sarah… so happy to know that you enjoyed it!. ❤ Love & best wishes 😀
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Thank you, again for including this post in your weekly round-up CB 💞
Thank GOD I was born in the 20th century!
I know right!?… I am gretaful in that sense too (and also glad that I live in a country which is not regressive when it comes to women. 😉 Love & best wishes 🙂
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This post is a real treat 🤩 I have always been fascinated by the women and female gods. Thank you Aquileana for the research and brining history and myths to life! Thank you Carolee for Pandora’s enthralling story! 💕
Thank you very much dear Val… I really appreciate the visit & comment. Good to know that this post resonated with you! ❤ Love & best wishes 😀
ben tornata con i miti degli antichi greci. Pandora e Elena hanno rappresentato nell’immaginario collettivo il segno della perdizione e della trasgressione.
Assolutamente …, male che ci pesa, è così … Grazie mille Newwhitebear. Un abbraccio! 🙂 ❤
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Enjoying your post very much as always. Thanks for your work. Regards Bear
Thank you very much dear Bear!. I appreciate it ❤
Love & best wishes 😀
A very happy Christmas to you too, dear Aquileana!
Thank-you for such an interesting post, not just about Pandora and Helen but also about the status of women in Ancient Greece. I loved Carolee’s version of the story of Pandora and her box!
Congratulations for having two of your poems featured at ‘La Poesia no Muerde’ and for your appearance on Esme’s blog, Aquileana! Have a very happy weekend, Hugs, Clare xx 🙂 xx
Thank you very much dear Clare. So glad to know that you enjoyed the post and Carolee´s brief story… Plus, the other features on other blogs… Wishing you a beautiful rest of your week. Love & hugs 😀
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Excellently written blog post.
What I find interesting in reading the myth of both Pandora and Helen of Troy is that really the ultimate source of all the troubles goes back to the Greek god Zeus himself – a god with the bad habits of two American Presidents combined in one- the overactive libido of a Bill Clinton and the mean petty vindictiveness of a Donald Trump.
I had never thought of that-…. Interesting point … and analogies. Very clever of you to highlight that… Thank you very much dear Dracul!. Love & best wishes 😀
You’re welcome. 🙂
Love and best wishes to you, my dear Aquileana.
Again another thoughtful, in-depth article about Greek mythology. This topic was so fascinating to me since I come from a background where women are encouraged to take a backseat. It is interesting in deed to read that Pandora and Helen while are deemed to be ‘beautiful’ in terms of looks and have powerful potential, they are depicted as forces of destruction. It seems to me ancient tales depicted them as out of control, and the idea that anything a woman does, it is to be frowned upon, objects of affection or a trophy.
Nice to know why Aphrodite is one of the more prominent and supported figures. In a way it seemed she was born out of not love or a connection, but out of some kind of magic and untouchable, powerful force – giving us the idea that a woman can become who she wants to be out of nothing. Also great fictional contribution by Carolee, bringing the characters to life once again.
In many ways I do think patriachy still exists today, and in some cultures women are still stereotyped like they have always been in the past. Sure, some women might be okay with that and want to live like that. However, our sex and biological construct are just that, and each of us have the potential to do what we want, when we want if we speak up and stand up for ourselves. I’ve learnt that we can do that in our choices – at work, at home, in the blog world, anywhere.
Another year and wishing you well for 2018. I got a feeling it might be a great year. Wishing my favoure Greek mythology über blogger friend a wonderful holiday season and year ahead.
So glad you are back on IG and looking forward to following along ❤
Hi dear Mabel,
Thanks so much for the clever insights here… I concur with you in many senses. Yes… I also think that Patriachy still exists today. In some countries women are totally relegated. We are lucky to live in countries where women havethe same political rights… and so many social rights… even if we still have many things to improve.
I liked that Carolle put Athena in her brief story. In spite of being a Goddess, she was linked to a martial society, and she has many male features (the greek goddess of Wisdom was also a warrior). So I think that somehow she is a bridge between women and men. Even more if we considered that she was born from Zeus´s head.
I agree with you as to how Beauty could become a sort of regressive, weak force.. at least, when it comes to Mythology Beauty often brings discord and turmoil.
So happy that we connected on IG again, after the problem with my previous account!… 😀 I am wishing you a great December and happy holidays, my friend. Hugs & love across the miles ❤ ⭐
¡Mil gracias por compartir todo esto! Sabía muchos nombres, pero la información de fondo era nueva para mí. ¡Feliz Navidad!¡ Un saludo grande¡
Muchísimas gracias Sartenada… Me alegro mucho de que te haya interesado y gustado el post. Un abrazo! 😀
that is such a great story! I kew that by your impressive story is very educative about all details. I love it as always, my dear! Have a great weekend. Bye Kamila
Thanks so much for your comment, dear Kamila!… Excellent to know that this post resonated with you. Love & best wishes 😀
What JOY to read both parts of this wondrous, “Pandora and Helen of Troy” article! You positively hold a clear-cut ability to tell mythical stories and write flowingly. A book that may be of interest you, if you haven’t already read it, is “The Alphabet Versus the Goddess” by Leonard Shlain. You can find his key lecture about the book on YouTube. Thank you again for visiting my poetry website today and leaving me such a wonderful gift of words. Blessings always, Deborah.
HI Deborah, Thanks so much for your comment. I really means a lot.. I´ll keep the recommendation in mind… In fact, I´ll google Shlain´s book in a while so as to learn more about it. I was thrilled to came across your blog. I wonder if I can link back to your Tarot Poetry saga if I ever write on Tarot (which I´d probably do!)… Love & best wishes 😀
For ease of reference here’s the web-link to my “Poetry of the Tarot” series http://theliberatedsheep.com/category/poetryofthetarot/ To return back to The Fool keep pressing the “previous” button at the bottom of each page. Enjoy!
Thanks so much dear Deborah!. I´ll be delighted to link back to your poems (In due time!) 😀 xx
I have read the book “Parallel Visions in Space, Time and Light” by Leonard Shlain, it was fascinating read and was planning to go though the next one mentioned by you, was in hold now since you have mentioned it I must read it…he is a brilliant doctor writer on such contrasting topics…like artists and scientists.
A like-minded friend recommended Shlain’s book to me, it sounds intriguing doesn’t it! I’ve ordered myself a copy, hopefully it will arrive next week. Can’t wait to get started.
Yes indeed intriguing, what is more interesting is one my good blogger friend reading my posts on “perspective and perception”, suggested me and then I have just fallen in love with his writing…perhaps this is the circle life we are all connected, and we all think alike and love such “exquisite food for thoughts”…
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I´ll read Shlain´s book as soon as I can. Thanks so much, dear Deborah.. Happy Sunday ❤
I´ll have to read Shlain!… Thanks so much for the double recommendation, Deborah & Nihar. Love & best wishes! 😀
Yes Aquileana we can have good discussion on his work once you read and it will interesting…
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Very nice post Aquileana, Pandora and Helen of Troy, the ancient Femme fatale of the Greeks, yes, the Greeks were not as enlightened as we would like them to be, despite their many accomplishments, they were not only Patriarchal and misogynist, but also practiced slavery, and you have to belong to a rich, an influential family to be able to exercise some of the freedoms, and privileges of Democracy. Not so different of today democracies around the World.
Now Spartan women were a different lot.
Spartan women were famous in ancient Greece for having more freedom than elsewhere in the Greek world. To contemporaries outside of Sparta, Spartan women had a reputation for promiscuity and controlling their husbands.
When asked by a woman from Attica: ‘Why are you Spartan women the only ones who can rule men?’, she said: ‘Because we are also the only ones who give birth to men.’ Gorgo (daughter of Kleomenes I, born ~506. Married Leonidas I). Let the weeping be for cowards: but you child, I bury without a tear; you are my son, …
Aristotle was critical of Sparta, claiming that men were ruled by women there, unlike in the rest of Greece. Aristotle also criticized Spartan women for their wealth. He attributed the state’s precipitous fall during his lifetime, from being the master of Greece to a second-rate power in less than 50 years, to the fact that Sparta had become a gynocracy whose women were intemperate and loved luxury.
We are now generally more enlightened in gender issues, however misogynist, and patriarchal mentalities are still current in many places, even in our more advanced societies, were women do not do as much money than men even working doing the same job.
I figure the women are from Venus, men are from Mars argument, will still rage for quite some time, but as the mythological example of Helen, and Pandora set up. women are a force to reckon with, under the great mistake of suffering the consequences of ignoring them, or mistreating them.
My father wisely advice me from young age: ‘Always be fair to women, treat them as equals, and respect them, and never argue with them, there’s no point, they will always win, and if you don’t do as they say, they will make your life a living hell.’
Thanks Aquileana, and to Carolee Croft for such a lovely post. 🙂
An excellent, accurate comment…. You are right as to Spartan Women… I wanted to mention it. But I realized it would become a very long digression… It is not too easy to tackle so many things (exceptions included) in one post.
I already had something planned (at least in my mind) for the two next posts, maybe for the three next post… That would be up to March/April… Now, I am wondering if I should post about Spartan women before this. That would be the first post of the year, in January… Areyou interested in working along with me in the technical side of this issue?. If so, let me know here. Maybe we can do a post together… Thanks so much for the contribution here. Also I thank you on Carolee´s behalf for your words as to the collaboration…. Love & best wishes 😀
Sounds like an interesting project, let me know what you got on mind. 🙂
Women in Sparta…. Great. I will email you…. I will think it over and get back to you! 😉 🙂
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Hola Artemisa, amiga… muchas gracias, me alegro de que te haya gustado el artículo.. Dale, enseguida paso a ver tu post… Un abrazo! 😀
Although rooted in ancient Greek Mythology, I find this to be a current & timely sociopolitical article.
I speak of all the recent sexual scandals (from misconduct to rape) burning up Hollywood and Washington.
“… in ancient Greece, women had no political or social rights …”
This is still true of many places in the world. It is also true that even in socially progressive countries, many women are held back through religious or cultural doctrine &/or domineering, even abusive, men.
Although I live in a country where women have rights to choose home &/or career, their own husband, lifestyle, etc. we are not completely free from the need of men to objectify and dominate women.
As far as tying this article into contemporary life is concerned, I begin by relating the problem of Helen of Troy’s beauty to today’s beautiful movie stars and starlets in Hollywood and young professional women in Washington.
“Helen was prone to getting abducted”
It seems today that some rich, successful & powerful men abduct women in a different way. It is a quiet coercion. Within the idea of promises to fame & fortune, or even the thought that you will never attain your career goals, a woman cedes honour, just in case.
She & her beauty are thereby abducted.
Enter the Pandoras. They are the women who have been stilled by their collusion with powerful men in order to “get ahead”.
Having had enough, they open Pandora’s box, and tell all. Media mayhem ensues, heads roll and careers are ruined.
It is not the rolling heads and ruined careers that spurs me on, after all this is not the French Revolution, and I am not blood thirsty.
It is the “hope” that Carolee reveals in her wonderful piece of writing in this collaboration.
I was also particularly struck by Carolee’s words …..
“she had done something.”
So, women continue their journey to full equality, and the premise that they will attain their goals by the beauty of their own inner self & their selves’ abilities. Of course we are thwarted by the beauty industry, and a youth oriented society.
I ask any woman reading this, “If a rich, powerful man offered you fame and fortune in your chosen career area, and all you had to do was give into his sexual desire, which you did not share (one time only), would you do it?”
I throw that question, in reverse, to men. However, I suspect men do not suffer the emotional after effects as harshly as women. I could be wrong, but until the pendulum has swung completely to the other side, we may not know.
Anyway, I am on the committee “Women in Film”. We meet tomorrow, and sexual harassment in the workplace is on topic for discussion.
Aq, I adore your poetry, and will be sharing it with my favorite musician.
Great article, very well done, and extremely stimulating.
Much love, many hugs and the world is ours! _Resa
Hi dear Re;
Your comment is great, nd there are so many things to ponder.
Yes, you are right: many women seem to live under coercion… Men might take the lead. And it doesn´t exclusively apply to those countries where women don´t have social or political rights… It could also be the case in Developped countries. Domination (and consequently submission) can have different shapes.
Even the idea of a woman getting married with a rich man could entail some sort of implementation of the postulates of Patriarchy. The way to legitimate social behaviours is often channeled via Mass Media… and even more.. nowadays, Technology. Adds, Social Media, Magazines: it all somehow might consecrate a paradigm. Helen of Troy?… Well so many beautiful famous women these days could probably be equivalents!. Abduction might (again) be replaced by other forms of manipulation & objectivation
And Pandora?. Also. I am thinking about Carolee´s “she had done something”… And how women could be stil blamed these days in similar ways. (Scapegoats).
A few years ago, our Penal Code incorporated the delictive figure of “femicide”… Murder after Rape, for example… or just murder: when the sex of the victim is somehow revealing… A crime committed with treachery against women in particular. As you suggest there is still a long path ahead, even if we (in our countries) have long ago achieved social/political equality… We need to ask ourselves what really happens and how we can shorten the gaps.
I am curious about the “Women in Film” initiative. You´ll have to tell me more soon.
Thanks so much for everything!. Much love & hugs across the miles! ❤ 🙂
My friend!
Each time, I am so amazed by the wealth of information you present.
As always you make us think (and re-think) many of “common values” in a critical and thoughtful way. This collaboration was wonderful!!
Best,
Takami
Thanks so much dear Takami for such nice words… And, yes I agree with you: so much to ponder here!- Very glad to know that you enjoy the collaboration. Love & best wishes 😀
These are works of art, visually and verbally, that you create Aquileana. It must take you hours and days and days to put all this together, and you do it so splendidly. On a side note, many of us still find ourselves opening a pandors’s box from time to time, do we not?! 🙂 ❤ xoxoxoxoxoxo
Dear Natalie, thanks so much for your comment, my friend (Yes: it takes me days 😀 … This post in particular took me more than others. It depends!). I really appreciate your visit: a lot.. Love & best wishes ⭐
You did a brilliant job so it was time well spent!!! Much love and abundant blessings❣️😘
Thanks, dearest Natalie. Hugs 🙂 ❤
You’re most welcome sweet Aquileana❣️😘
This is such a good idea to revisit this story. I was using the very expression ‘boite de Pandore ‘ earlier this week and was reflecting about expressions of that kind, the meaning of is getting lost (maybe it is a good thing). Always good to deconstruct the meanings.
Merci Sylvie… I agree with you. What I didn´t know is that the “box” was presumable a “jar” (at least in the first and more official versions of the myth!). So much to ponder when it comes to deconstruction in myths, as well. You are right!. I appreciate the visit and comment . Sending love & best wishes 😀
A container, then, of some sort, but could not be transparent. . I was however thinking more about the underlying message about women that crossed the centuries. Best wishes 🙂
I get you 😀 And yes, that “underlying message” is not precisely the most favorable one… Thank you Sylvie! .. 💞
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Sweet Aquileana! Hola querida amiga. Hace mucho tiempo, eh? Just wanted to stop back by: Christy mentioned you on her blog and I’m glad she did! So great to come back and visit a friend! I’m sorry we’ve lost touch – life sometimes has a way of doing that. I intend to visit more often! ❤
In any case, as I read, I thought of the expression, "Pandora's box" that if we "open it" we unleash all kinds of misfortune. Now I know where the expression came from.
It's so interesting to read about Helen of Troy, too, and the idea that folks have put these into stories…fascinating! In my own writing, I may have to look into this. In any case, how neat to read about Pollux and Castor – who make up the constellation Gemini. I want to do more reading about this, now.
Thank you for such a thorough write up. I'm *so* glad you're still writing and relating such awesomeness: I always learn so much and we all stand to learn so many awesome things.
Lastly, here's to celebration of the feminine. I had no idea that women were so marginalized in Greek society. I always thought they had a more egalitarian role. No wonder these stories are told the way they are. But there's a silver lining: Pandora, for example, could then be said to have wielded great power. Helen as well!
Have a wonderful week, amiga! Sending you abrazos fuertes!
Thanks so much dear Cynthia. I am delighted that you came for a visit via Christy´s blog!… Yes, it has been a while. Life gest hectic , and… so many blogs to visit, right!?.
The expression “Pandora´s box” comes from the myth, that´s right… Although the most important versions tell us .. it was a jar and not a box 😉 Little difference, but I wanted to stress it, anyway. Pollux & Castor… And Clytemnestra were all Helen´s siblings… But they shared different fathers. Mythology is fascinating, isn´t it?. Woefully, women were quite marginalized in Ancient Greece… But, initially (during to Minoan Period) Goddesses seemed to play a major role. It was more a Matriarchy, then things changed… at the end, as I suggest in the post, Aphrodite replaced Athena. And that meant that Marital love and the union of Man and Woman began to be more important than just Man… Overall, many changes. But we can conclude that the last cahnges (during the Hellenistic period) were definitely for good. I really appreciate the visit and interesting feedback here, amiga. Abrazos 😀 🙂
So, the bad things (from the box of Pandora) are only made and set free to give men (not only women) a Chance to do good. That is like the way of sadhana of the Indian Saints, who have to overcome the mind, the monkey mind, using the mind to fight the mind, to still the mind, like using a needle to remove the thorn in the flesh. Or the Indian spiritual Person, knowing Karma and that Karma can only be undone by dedicating each further Action (Karma) to the Divine Goddess. The Goal is to return to the conditio ex ante, before the “Fall of Man”, in the Hindu way of thinking, the timeless, endless, undescribable Atman.
Thanks for the post.
Excellent comment… Yes: I see it as something karmatic, so as to speak. To start from zero in order to “evolve” … I don´t think things would have made much sense if it all had started from a point of excessive prosperity. (“A perfect Garden”). Mankind and Life itself would not make much sense. Interesting points concerning Indian mythology and culture… I always appreciate your contrbutions: they add depth to the posts. Love & best wishes 😀
Thank you, Aquileana, for sharing your thoughts on the myths of Helen of Troy and Pandora. It is disconcerting that mythology and beliefs propagate the notion of women’s inferiority in a patriarchal society. It is interesting how the Greeks transformed some of the earlier Minoan religion, which viewed women in a more favorable light, to fit into their patriarchal beliefs. It is disturbing that Pandora and Eve have been associated with releasing evil into the world. However, at least with Pandora, there is still hope left in the box.
As always, your posts are thought-provoking and provide insight into the human culture and psyche.
Best wishes,
Linnea
Hi there dear Linnea, You are absolutely right… Initially ancient Greece was a Matriarchal society,… And the Minoan period is eloquent in that sense (the so called “Snakes-Goddesses” depicted in many statuettes are a good example of this… Then came Patriarchy and things definitely changed. I have always thought that Zeus was a male chauvinist God, so as to speak. 😉
I agree with you as to Pandora, Helen of Troy and Eve. And I concur with what you say as to Hope. ((In that sense, I think Carolee wrote a great story and love its ending!). Thanks so much for sharing your thoughts and knowledge with us… Sending love and best wishes ⭐
Pandora has always intrigued me, so this was a lovely informative article I especially enjoyed!
And, of course “Hope” being included in that jar keeps us from a sense of futility.
Thank you once again for a marvellous post. Thank you for the link and so kind, words for my website. Much appreciation 🙂 cheers, Debi
Hi dear Debi… Thanks so much… I really appreciate your visit and comment. ((You are welcome for the shout-out: I couldn´t do any less: I am grateful!). You are so right as to what Hope means. I think Carolee did a great job by pointing out its importance in her brief story. . Love & best wishes 🙂 ❤
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I have found your post really interesting (as usual). And the pictures are beautiful!
So glad to know that you enjoyed it, dear Luisa. Thank you very much for dropping in!… Very appreciated. . Love & best wishes 🙂 ❤
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Ich mag deine griechischen Geschichten sehr. Grüsse Ernst
Vielen Dank, Ernst… Ich bin froh, deinen Kommentar zu lesen 🙂 Eine Umarmung Gute Woche
Another stunning article. You are right despite being vaunted as the birthplace of government by the people for the people Athens was a slave owning society with a pathological fear of woman. I wonder in part if this was due to the Cult Of the Sky God – a cult still dominating the religions of the Sons of Cain and Abel (farmers and herders)- feeling new and inferior to the religion of the Ancient White Goddess? After all modern humans have been on the planet for almost 300,000 years while agriculture and pastoralism is only 10,000 years old and in large parts of the world much less than that!
Thanks so much for the interesting comment dear Paul… I guess the Cult of The Sky God could be related to Apollo, the Sun God in Greek Mythology. Artemis was his sister (representing the Goddess of Hunting and Moon). Hence the Sun is linked to Males and the Moon to Women… In greek mythology Athena and Apollo were both “alligned” (you can see that in Homer´s “Iliad”)… The Patrirachy in Ancient Greece lasted up to the Hellenistic Period, then situation became more balanced as marital life became important (but Men were still ahead!). Sending love & best wishes 😀
I think you are spot on with the division between men and the Sun and women and the moon.. I have never thought of it that way before even though I have known about the moon’s deep traditional association with women. Thanks for love and best wishes and sending mine back. Your friend PaulX
Yes, from a mythological point of view Apollo (And Helios) represent the Sun, i.e Males, while Artemis (And Selene) represent the Moon and Females. Also, the link between females and Moon has to do with the female monthly cycles and fertility!… All the best to you, Paul! ❤
Extremely well put together – a terrific read! RH
Thanks so much… delighted to know that you enjoyed it! … Sending love & best wishes 😀
Fantastic post on the role of women in mythology. How relevant to what’s current now. But, never under-estimate the power of a woman. We’ve come a long way baby! 🙂 xxxx
Thanks so much dear Debbie… You are right!… We´ve come far…. And even if there are many things to work on, there are also many achievements we should be proud of (and all conquers come fast!) 😀 Love & best wishes to you! ❤ xx
Thank you my friend. ❤ xxx 🙂
In some ways, society as come a long way, but in many others ways women still continue to be viewed as “the beautiful-evil thing. So in some ways that just goes to show how long some stories continue to shape us.
I absolutely agree with you.. I guess certain “perceptions” have mostly to do with a Patriarchal society…. Even if we ´ve come a long way, there is still a long path ahead when it comes to Equality… Thanks so much for dropping in, dear Jeri. Love & best wishes 😀 ❤
E’ bello leggere e rileggere i tuoi straordinari articoli
Buon martedì e un sorriso,silvia
Grazie mille. cara amica… Ti auguro un buon martedi, Silvia. Un abbraccio! 😀 ❤
A wonderful post, Aquileana and Carolee. As always, your posts are so full of information that is new to me. Congratulations, Aquileana, on your poems being featured on La Poesía no Muerde. Love and hugs, dear friend.
Thanks so much dear Michelle!… From Carolee, as well… Delighted that you enjoyed our collaboration and my poems on La Poesía no Muerde. Love & best wishes 😀 ❤
So enjoyed another most excellent educational post Aquileana.. You truly know how to bring the past into the present..
Pandora and Helen of Troy both wonderful stories, and a beautiful collaborations with Carolee..
I smiled at Zeus and him wanting to reduce the human population.. I wonder who in those higher realms today we could say that the same is still happening as those who conspire to warring fractions. 🙂
Wonderful as always my friend..
Have a Brilliant December .. And a wonderful festive season..
Enjoy and take care of you.
Love Sue ❤ xx
Hi dear Sue,
Thanks so much for the great comment here…. I am glad to know that you enjoyed the post, my friend.
I also laughed when I learnt that Zeus could have been trying to reduce population… It seems many leaders (in a worldwide scale) might have to face the same problems, right!?.
When I wrote this post, I revisited our collaboration. Your poem on Helen was brilliant!!! ❤ Happy December and happy holidays to you!- Hugs and love 🙂
Yes, I smiled widely when I read that part about Zeus, which I just had to mention lol.. 🙂 and yes I fondly remember our own collaboration dear Aquileana and I thank you for allowing me to be part of your amazing blog..
You are so gifted in your knowledge.. And I enjoyed composing the poem and learnt much in the process..
Sending Hugs and much love as the festive season fast approaches..
❤ Hugs Sue xx
You should come back to do a collaboration with me next year! Thanks so much for your words! 😀 Oh… and I love your recipe on Esmé´s blog!. I will try it!… Hugs and much love dear Sue! 🙂
Your intelligence and your indepthness always always leaves me in awe. You are brilliant the way you write about what you do. And your thoroughness … all I can say is wow! I so enjoyed the story about Pandora, Athena, and Zeus. How you are able to bring so much information all together the way you do is incredible. Thank you for sharing what you know with us! May your Holidays be truly magnificent!!! 🎄💖
Dear Amy, Thanks so much…. I really appreciate your words here and I am happy that you enjoyed the post… Greek Mythology is such a thorough thing. I sometimes think I am ready to move into Irish Myhtology, for example… But I always find new issues to post about. Wishing you, in advance, Merry Christmas and all the best for 2018. Much love! ❤ xx 🙂
Ah, Irish mythology has always fascinated me. If I had a different life I would be so immersed in it and probably living in Ireland as well. Merry Christmas to you and yours and may 2018 be your best year yet!
IKR!?… Sounds like a good place to live 😀 … I am guessing I´d switch to Irish Mythology when I began to feel I am running out of subjects in Greek Mythology!. Many hugs 🙂
La misoginia empezando por los mitos y eso pasa en todas las culturas. Hermosos e interesantes artículos, muchas gracias por compartir.
Abrazos de luz.
Me alegro de que te haya gustado!. Coincido con vos, querida Silvia… Incluso en la Filosofía está presente la Misoginia. Recuerdo que cuando leí Schopenhauer no podía “caer” de mi asombro…
Un abrazo, amiga… 😀
Así es, los más grandes filósofos fueron y son misóginos, con alguna honrosa excepción.
Abrazo de luz.
Triste… pero es así… Abrazos xx ❤
Eso debe cambiar. Abrazos de luz ❤
Aqui, a brilliant scholarly article and your bring life into what was for me rather a dull subject at school. I read this agog, learning more with every sentence and clarity is striking, so wonderfully explained. A great post and thank you for sharing with us. ❤️
Thanks so much dear Annika. Your words mean a lot to me and I am thrilled to know that you are enjoying the posts!.. Love & best wishes. Happy almost weekend ahead 😀 xx
Aristotle… pfffft. He wouldn’t make it in our world today.
Ha!. True… those regressive thoughts, right!?… Great to “see” you Tammy. Thanks so much for dropping in!. Love & best wishes 🙂
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always thought pandora got a bad rap as did many women in these stories. the struggle against ignorance is led by the women. the old way, the dogma way must give way to life. the way of status quo is a dead way. eve and helen as mentioned also play the role of leading. eve is more successful than helen. helen who lead the way to love, a personal love between two people and used as an excuse by the greeks to recover and acquire more property. pandora forces a break in the “dead way” which of course is chaotic for those who know only that way. I think she should have let hope out of the box too. thanks again for an interesting post. cheers
A very interesting perspective here…. “Every cloud has a silver lining”; as the saying goes. I liked what you say in reference to how women could have helped in the fight against ignorance… And, indeed, Eve offered Adam the fruit from the Tree of Knowledge… Maybe Mankind needed some scapegoats and these beautiful women were perfect in that sense. I agree with you, also, as o Helen of Troy. It is probably a character used to legitimate an eventual war. Thanks so much for dropping in and for the valuable inputs here. Love & best wishes! 🙂
fantastic post. ..I always find it so interesting reading about myth. …and well done on your poems. .fabulous news…have a great weekend x
Thanks so much dear Gill! I really appreciate your encouraging words. Very glad to know that you enjoyed the post. Love & best wishes 😀 Happy wekend to you, as well 😀
Aquileana, thank you for expanding upon the subject of women in mythology! I remember parts of the story of Helen of Troy. I think Ate, the Goddess of Discord, also had a hand in the golden apple, but my memory of what she did is hazy at this point..
Indeed, Ate AKA Eris was the Goddess who triggered the whole issue, as she tossed a golden apple in the midst of the wedding of Peleus and Thetis as a prize of beauty, sparking a vanity dispute among Hera, Athena, and Aphrodite… Then Zeus sent Prince Paris of Troy to solve this. He had to choose between the three goddesses and she picked up Aphrodite, who promised him the most beautiful woman in exchange. That woman was Helen … But she was married to Menelaus; so Paris abducted her… This fact eventually led to the Trojan War …
Thanks so much for dropping in, dear Lavinia… I really appreciate the visit and comment… Sending love & best wishes ❤ 😉
That is the story I learned when we got to studying the Trojan war in school. Thank you for filling in that memory blank for me. 🙂
At your service, dear Lavinia… Wishing you a lovely rest of your Sunday… and happy week ahead … 💫💕
Buongiorno Cara Aquileana,
I really enjoyed your post with Carolyn, especially as it featured two of my favourite Greek women in mythology.
The men of the time certainly did their best to vilify women and made sure they did not have a voice.
Have a great Christmas and New Year.
ciao,
Luciana 🙂
Hi there dear Luciana,
Thanks so much for dropping in and for the comment… So glad to know that you ejoyed our collaboration!.
You are right as to how men vilify women throughout time… It was not something random, but a way to legitimate Patriarchy and unvoice women: yes.
Merry Christmas and happy New Year, cara amica. Sending love & best wishes ❤ 😉
Merry Christmas and Happy New Year, cara Aquileana xx
Thank you, dear Luciana … Happy Holidays and 2018 to you ❤ 😀
Aquileana – Nice collaboration with Carolee.
I marvel at the high quality of your blog. This was a fantastic and very enlightening post. I’m glad for the progress we’ve seen toward equality, but it’s still unfortunate we have so far to go.
Best Wishes.
Thanks so much dear Dave… From Carolee, as well … we are delighted to know that you enjoyed the post.
And: yes, I agree with you as to Women Equality… But, the good thing is that we are still making improvements!.
Love & best wishes! 💕
Dear Aquileana, I read, and I re-read it, paused and reflected where to start and how to put my analysis into proper perspective kept me pondering and I took a coffee break…so much you have captured with such nuanced manner and with such profound thoughts that are indeed deeply thought provoking.
Though these stories are rooted in the mythology and there are these fascinating myths and legends intrinsically linked to the reality of today’s world, centuries and centuries have gone by and still in many parts of the world the gender discrimination, the lopsided prejudices and the objectification of woman and the exploitation that man have been doing over woman over the ages have had so many negatives impacts on the society at large, just imagining the world would have been such a wonderful place had the equality of gender been established long back and as by subjugating woman and limiting the potential woman to the household chores and allowing the man’s to do everything possible and man play all the tricks under their sleeves to satisfy their ego. When man will let go his “ego”, the big question!!!
Ancient Greece being the mother of democracy and a paradox that deeply seated in the mythical stories are such dominance of man over woman, and the bias was very much prevalent then. How come the so called egalitarian society is so much divided over the gender issue and why the political power to the social status continues to under the hammer and the hammer always falls on the woman…the use of phrase “weaker sex” is such a derogatory thought, I was refrain from referring but still wanted to highlight how such phrase have confided the minds of rich and powerful man…is it lack of education or is it power of dominance?
What a coincidence that “A” for apple that we learn in school and that same apple has been epicenter of such historical changes from Adam and Eve, to the Trojan Wars to the Law of Gravity and today, the “Apple” phone is the class divide between the rich and the poor…the brand is epitome of luxury possession and the aspiration value at its pinnacle. I think apple will continue to amaze us and we can look forward to many more things to get its root or shoot from the juices of the apple grind, and mysticism around “apple” shall continues for ages to come…myths to modern world is dominated by the apple juggernaut.
Hesiod, women as the beautiful-evil thing, Aristotle, women are intellectual incapable of making important decisions, Plato, women are physically inferior to man…woman in today’s so called evolve age in many parts of the world have the same mindset as has been narrated in the ancient Greece in the years of BCs. Woman to get married at an early age, bear children and remain imprisoned to the house and a rare outing here and there outside the eyes of man folk, and mixing with man outside the family and community is still seen in some countries as breach of societal norms set by the dominating forces represented by man only of the society. Philosophers to the politicians have played their skewed views that contorted the outlook towards the woman community…
Quite interesting like many have mentioned in their comments I was no exception and I have been using the “Pandora Box” for so many years and see today with your beautiful mythical revelation has given why we use that phrase and who is “Pandaro” and why the association of box. Aphrodite the goddess of love and beauty, and the root of many war and basis of many battles has been for possession of beauty or betrayal of love. Man being considered the productive and creative force of society not the woman has been engineered into the psyche of society and has been so deep seated that it can only be uprooted and any tweaking cannot change the hold. It all happens in major events of crisis or creation.
Though it always take little more time for me to come here but every time I come I come so with a good amount of time in hand as I know you will have so much knowledge and wisdom dotted into your post, I won’t be doing justice unless I spend some quality time absorbing the profound thoughts. Yes your collaboration with Carolee was magical in manifestation. It was delight reading it. Thanks so much Aquileana…
Have a lovely lovely Sunday.
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Hello there dear Nihar,
Thanks so much for such a thorough and intelligent comment. You really provide a very interesting analysis.
Women have been objetified and seen as inferior human beings for centuries. I think things have started changing probably after the Second World War. The UN was created soon after it ended
In 1979, it launched the Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Discrimination against Women (CEDAW), adopted by the UN General Assembly and often described as an international bill of rights for women.
It is a fact that women suffrage was first achieved in the 18th century: Sweden and Finlnd were the first European countries to give women the right to vote. But almost all countries give women the right to vote during the 20th century (Source. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_women%27s_suffrage )…
Political rights are really important as they give women the possibility to be part of the Public space and run for electoral posts.
There are many Eastern countries in which the situation is very precarious when it comes to Equality of access… Saudi Arabia or Afghanistan seem to be clear examples of this.
The idea of “Second Sex” is intriguing… Simone de Beauvoir has a book titled like that. She basically refers to how women might act certain way because it is the way they have been taught to act like. This basically entails “subordination”. Humanity is male and man defines woman not herself but as relative to man. Beauvoir writes that men oppress women when they seek to perpetuate the family and keep patrimony intact. She also makes refernce to Ancient Greece and says that women were treated almost like slaves (Sparta seems to be a more fair polis, though).
Her analysis is on point, in mnay senses. And even if things could have changed for good and at fast pace in the last decades… There is still a valuable contribution coming from her, which is useful fro us to understand the remains and signs of patriarchy in a society obviously more open and egalitarian…
I am delighted to know that you enjoyed the post. Thanks also on Carolee´s behalf! 😀 Your comment adds new layers to the discussion and I am really grateful for that.
Love & all the best to you! 😀 ❤
I agree Aquileana things have definitely changed after the UN General Assembly resolution and bill to fight for the rights of women. It has taken step ahead with the participation of theirs in the election process and being part of the ruling community of a country but unfortunately their representation remains abysmally low and their voices are not strong enough to be heard and male dominates the political and economic discourse and there is this deep seated prejudice in our society perpetrated and propagated by the vested interest groups…both from the political fraternity and the religious community.
Yes if you look at the countries like Saudi and Afghanistan and many more in this region there is that huge chasm in the thoughts and facts on ground, the man doesn’t want to give away their hold and the ego. It seems there is some changes that has been initiated by the new prince of Saudi seemly presenting a modern outlook and attempting to give the women community the freedom and the rightful rights never given to them.
The book by Simone, seems to have objectively dealt on the subject and the thought that humanity is “male” speaks the mindset of the man and how they have exploited the advantages. The interesting aspect is that it had its roots from our ancient society like Greece considered to be bedrock of the evolution of a new civilization and I was bit perplexed when I read that society in those days had such deep divide and discrimination. I will read the book…thanks for suggesting it.
The spread of democracy is a major force in bringing that equality and providing that opportunity for the woman community to get their rightful places and with their empathy and compassion can bring about a huge change in the society where the debate and focus has been skewed.
Always, always such a pleasure reading your in-depth research and such nuanced analysis of the mythology and ancient stories, and its relevance to today’s world.
Have a great week ahead.
Take care!!!
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I agree with you…. We women have conquered a relative Equality…. but there is still a lot to do… When you refereed to Saudi and Afghanistan, you mentioned that the whole situation could be explained because “Man doesn’t want to give away their hold and the ego”. And that´s is exactly the major cause… Furthermore, the legitimating discourses, coming from Common Sense, History and diverse mythologies.
The witch hunt is still on… In many places and so many women are considered “Pandoras”. And that´s particularly relevant in The Eastern Countries. the taboo topics related to sexuality. The woman as seed of evil … and so it goes.
I think De Beauvoir wrote a colossal masterpiece, of incredible value bach then and now.
Thanks so much for the great insights here… Love & best wishes 🙂 😉
Indeed Aquileana, it is all in the mind and the mindset of man are highly prejudiced and they’ve been trapped in the old stream of thoughts and the sadistic pleasure they derive out of such subjugation is utterly disgusting but they are intoxicated with such corrupt thoughts. It requires an overhaul. This need some massive upheaval and a change at the very foundation of thinking so deeply rooted in the archaic minds of man folk…
Today with this digital technology breaking the barriers and bridging the gaps between geography to profession to power, gender will break that glass ceiling and already we have started seeing subtle change the way woman are getting empowered in certain part of the world and in companies where they barely had any say in big decision making processes of the company. Times are changing and technology is fostering that change in the right direction though much needed to be done but at least there is good beginning and the winds of change are building a conducive environment for a much bigger and faster transformation our society towards building harmony and bringing justice to the co-existence of man and woman in equality.
My pleasure to have such lovely discussion with you and always looking forward to such insights.
Hugs!!!
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Dear Nihar,
You are so right… This whole issue requieres an overhaul. And, as you say, the key could come from Technology. The gap is not longer so inscrutable, these days … I really believe that we are coming closer to a clearly more equitable situation. Also , It is my wish that things will turn out better for women, in a global scale, despite the particular circumstances in each particular case.
Thank you for the great insights!. Always a pleasure to read you Hugs back, my friend 😀 xx
Yes dear Aquileana, there is imperative need for a complete rejig of the way man in society have portrayed woman and they have done so for ages and lack of awareness and communication is what they have taken the advantage, technology is definitely the harbinger of a paradigm shift in the outlook of many man and the way woman have demonstrated their ability fight out and stand for their right, and with fast changing world, woman empowerment and gender equality shall become the de facto standard…
My pleasure and thanks as always for such lovely conversations.
Take care!!!
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Thanks so much dear Nihar… Your comments are highly appreciated. Much love. Happy weekend ahead 😀
You too…
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Another beautiful collaboration! Great tribute to the strong women of the ancient world. Never an easy life for a woman, huh? 🙂
Thank you for your wonderful posts on my favorite subject – mythoogy. I always enjoy your insight and knowledge. Have a lovely December ❤ xx
Thanks so much dear Inese. Yes, being a woman can be difficult. But also a wonderful thing 😀 so pleased to read your comment and to know that you enjoyed the post…. Happy December & Holidays for you & yours 😉 xx
Thank you so much! Look forward to many more splendid articles in 2018. xx
Thank you dear Inese. Sending much love ❤ 😀
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Es curioso como el mito griego es equivalente al hebreo en cuanto a culpabilizar, a la mujer de los males del mundo (personaje de Lilith aparte). Parece ser que para esos antiguos recopiladores del mito los hombres caían (y caemos) en la tentación tendida por las mujeres de un modo trágico e inevitable. Nunca me gusta quedarme en la epidermis de los mitos, ya lo sabes, aquí tampoco. Resulta que, según lo entiendo, el papel de Pandora y Eva es impecable porque caer en la tentación no fue trágico sino el resultado natural de las posibilidades sembradas en la situación mítica: sacar a la luz lo que ya estaba ahí (hambre, enfermedad, conflictos, etc.) y la salida del Paraíso explorando (de una vez) los horizontes que abría el mundo. En este sentido, Eva y Pandora son madres que alumbran todo un mundo nuevo, igual que cada madre particular pare a su hijo. Por eso creo que aparte del machismo cotidiano que arrastraban los antiguos, los redactores de esos mitos hilaban mucho más fino de lo que vemos hoy siglos después con nuestra mirada limitada por una lectura material y literal. Ni Pandora, ni Eva, ni cualquier otro personaje de las sagradas escrituras actúa al margen de los designios de los dioses porque si no estaríamos hablando de unas divinidades sin poder. De modo que la función de esos personajes femeninos es también sagrada.
Es el mismo caso que se observa con Judas en el evangelio. Siempre se ha considerado el gran traidor, un personaje execrable y maldito. Sin embargo, para los gnósticos (que veían más lejos y más profundo que los cristianos de fe estrecha) es un benefactor. En tanto que permite que se desencadenen los acontecimientos, y Jesús pueda realizar la función para la que había sido enviado, tender un puente de comunicación entre lo alto y lo bajo, el cielo y la tierra (aparte de que los gnósticos consideraban su muerte y resurrección como algo simbólico e iniciático, no físico).
Gracias a ti, Aquileana, y a tu colaboradora por esta nueva obra de arte en forma de post que nos acerca los mitos que son la base de nuestra civilización. Enorme abrazo.
Querido José,
Tu comentario me parece excelente. Coincido con lo que destacabas: que estas mujeres tan nefastas en la Mitología y en el Ideario Colectivo, no son sino tal vez más que la causa próxima de un estado de cosas preexistente … Al punto que, quizás ni siquiera ellas mismas detonan los problemas y males que se les atribuyen. Me gusta cuando dices: “En este sentido, Eva y Pandora son madres que alumbran todo un mundo nuevo, igual que cada madre particular pare a su hijo”.
El ejemplo que mencionabas respecto a Eva me parece concluyente… Incluso, siendo “racionales” al interpretar las Sagradas Escrituras… No tendría demasiado sentido que Dios creara algo absolutamente perfecto para perpetuarlo eternamente. Quizás esto nos enseña a interpretar que el Hombre puede caer y levantarse, pecar y redimirse. Y “el sentido” de Dios mismo vendría dado por su Gracia Divina, en forma de asistencia y revelación.
El ejemplo de Judas es muy gráfico. Lo veo como dices, apuntándome a la interpretación gnóstica.
Mil gracias por tu análisis, de parte de Carolee y mía..
Realmente inteligente y esclarecedor como siempre. Un abrazo grande! 😀 ❤
Perhaps I’ve mentioned while commenting on one of your posts earlier, that Greek and Indian mythology have distinct similarities. The misogynist tendency was prominent is Indian mythology also and we can take Draupadi, an iridescently beautiful woman who was bound to get married to five brothers simultaneously, can be taken as the Indian counterpart of Helen. Just like Helen, Draupadi’s beauty led to the great war of Kurukshetra. I always wonder why women are shown as inferior and why their beauty is regarded as a source of evil! Even today, we judge a woman by her beauty first and not her intellect and capability. How many million years will it take to change this mindset…. !!
Thoroughly enjoyed the piece, as always, Aquileana. Carolee’s interpretation of Pandora opening the box of evil was really intriguing.
Have a great Christmas month… ❤
Thanks so much for the clever and accurate insights dear Mani… Interesting to learn about Draupadi and how she could be an Indian counterpart for Helen of Troy.
I agree with you: beautiful women most times are seen as dumb… and many times beautiful women are very intelligent.
Anyway when beautiful people are shallow and not too clever, it has to do more with an attitude or approach (Narcisism above all) than with a gender. So, if it was the case, the “stereotype” should apply to both men and women. And I am not justifying the stereotype. I am just speaking from what I see on Social Medial and television…
I am grateful for the comment and I thank you on Carolee´s behalf as well. I am sure she´ll appreciate your words.
Merry Christmas in advance. Love & best wishes 😀
You are right. Social media nowadays is full of stereotyped people irrespective of the gender.
It’s always enlightening as well as entertaining reading your posts …<3
Yes… It is, woefully, you say, dear Mani… Thanks so much… Wishing you a great day. Hugs ❤
Hugs and good wishes on your way too… ❤
💕😘🙏xx
Extremely insightful and rich post as always. I’m so much behind with everything due to my issues, I will return to read more carefully.
Thanks so much dear Inese… Reading your words here makes me glad!. That´s more than enough.
Good to know that you enjoyed the post!. Sending love & best wishes 😀 ❤
I found this a fascinating study. The poems were beautiful, and the illustrations — as usual — luscious. Your scholarship is always of the highest caliber. It is no wonder you have such a large and devoted following. I look forward with pleasure to many more of your posts. Wishing you a very Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year, Aquileana! A. ❤
Dear Anna, Thanks so much for your encouraging words. Coming from you they mean a lot!. I really like what you are doing on your blog: with these humble words come my admiration towards you!… Merry Christmas & happy new year to you too ❤ xx
Thought provoking. When and why was misogyny hard wired into societies. Curiously the pagan Norse had better rights for women, women can hold property, could divorce and even be a representative at a thing (meeting, though this was later rescinded), though the overall thrust as a warrior society was male orientated. Anyway thanks for the interesting post.
Very interesting…. I had no idea as to what you mention concerning Pagan Norse Societies. Pretty much like the Spartans, who were a clear exception to the major trend among Ancient Greeks… I will have to dig further into it!.. Thanks so much for dropping in, dear Alan… Love & best wishes 😀 🙂
Yes, women did enjoy certain rights. Women could also be warriors in most Germanic societies as well. It is a great post Aquileana.
Thank you, my friend 😀 xx
I love this post
Thanks so much… So happy that you do 😀
Welcome
Thank you, dear Aquileana, once again for such an entertaining and informative read. I really enjoy your posts. Congratulations on your poems too.
Wishing you a very happy Christmas and all the Best for 2018. Cheers Scifi 🙂
Thanks so much dear Scifihammy. Thrilled to read your words. I am glad that we are WordPress friends 😀
Love and best wishes. Happy Holidays and an excellent 2018 for you! 😀 xx
You’re very welcome 🙂
Yes, I’m very happy to have met you here on WP. It makes the world seem a much smaller and friendlier place.
Happy Holidays and All the Best for 2018. 🙂
Awww. I fell the same my friend. Sending much love. Enjoy the weekend ahead … 😉
Thank you – And to you too 🙂
Bonjour mon ami amie AQUILEANA
Juste un sourire pour toi
Je le laisse sortir de mon cœur
C’est un sourire en douceur
il va éclairer ton visage
Je le partage avec tous mes amis amies
de celui ou celle qui le reçois
peu importe son âge
il le rendra heureux ou heureuse
Alors pour toi mon ami amie
je te fais encore un beau sourire
pour te souhaiter une bonne journée ou soirée
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Je te remercie, cher Bernard… Bonne journée à toi aussi. Je t´embrasse! 😀 ❤
Great post. I read it several times, I’m studying women in music at the moment so quite apposite, it’s interesting how men were the main gods, the church leaders, the politicians, the great thinkers and writers, perhaps that’s why they always came out on top through history because it was recorded by them.
Very interesting!… It seems initially (during the Minoan Period) Ancient Greece was a Matriarchy… And then things changed and the Olympians became a hierarchical group of gods and goddesses … with male pre-eminence. At the end, during the Hellenistic Period, Women were rescued from the opprobrium. But equality was never achieved during Ancient Times.
Much love and thanks for the visit my friend ❤ 😀
Seasons greetings to you too 🎄✨ have a lovely Christmas time.
Thanks so much Char… Merry Christmas & all the best for 2018!. 🤶🌟
Yey! A new post. I will be back when I can have some uninterrupted quiet time to read. 🙂
Thanks so much dear Imelda… Great that you came across the post. You are welcomed to visit anytime. Love & best wishes 😀
Merci pour ton passage sur mon blog , je crois que nous étions chacune sur le blog respectif en même temps .
Bonne fête de fin d’année à toi aussi et merci encore pour ce tres beau billet
Bises
I always loved the story of Pandora’s box! and I love the new slant your story gives it- why of course!! Thank you both!
Thanks so much dear Cybele… So glad to know that you enjoyed this collaboration. I appreciate the visit and comment. Love & best wishes 😀
Reblogged this on Apollo's Raven and commented:
The following post is a reblog from one of my favorite sites that discusses Greek Mythology and its implications for modern day. the 11/30/2017 post by Aquileana is entitled “Pandora and Helen of Troy” / “Collaboration with Carolee Croft”🍎.-
It is a fascinating overview of Pandora and Helen of Troy, females who fit into Ancient Greek mythology that reflects the patriarchal prejudices against women in their culture.
The myths spring from the cultural anxieties about female beauty and female sexuality, centered on the figure of the Parthenos – the girl at marriageable age, a figure who must cross from the world of childhood in her father’s house to the house of her husband. Both Pandora and Helen of Troy cause tremendous damage, even to people beyond their immediate surroundings.
Thanks so much for sharing, dear Linnea… It really means a lot: Very much appreciated.
I liked the words you have shared above (and on your blog).
You are right: Pandora and Helene are both seen as seeds of evil and they were pretty much spacegoats. Being considered the cause of damaging events due to their lack of obedience… They threaten the Male System and its legitimacy.
It is interestinAncient Greece was initially a Matriarcal order, during the Minoan Times. Then Gods took the main roles, as Patriarchy and War become more important… Finally, during the Hellenistic Period, the situation seems to be more balanced as mariage and Family became leading values.
There is a positive progression at the very end I´d say … But this doens´t mean the situation improved drastically, by then
Love & best wishes!. Happy holidays (in advance!) 😀 ⭐
You are a blogging legend.. How do you manage?
Ha!. I here… Thank you… It is hard to catch up… I guess that´s why I post monthly … or so… 😀 Wishing you a great week! 🙂
I’ve always been very curious about Pandora’s box though I had no inkling that it was connected to Greek Mythology or to Zeus. Thanks a lot for sharing such a detailed post on Pandora and Helen Of Troy. It was really very informative.
Have a nice day!
Heena
Thanks so much, for dropping in and for the comment, dear Heena… So glad to know that you enjoyed and that it was useful for you when it comes to tying up loose ends. Sending love & best wishes. 😀 ❤
This article is a great addition to what’s happening with modern patriarchy and the continued blaming of the feminine. It matters so much for us to see this so we can correct it, as in the “Me, too!” movement. I don’t expect that correction will be fast.
I love Carolee’s rethinking of Pandora’s box. It takes me back to Eros and Psyche which I studied with my women’s mythology class for over two years, focusing on the Four Labors. Did Psyche made a “mistake” by taking a forbidden look at Eros in the first place and beginning the process of her own initiatory labors? And at the end, almost completing the impossible, she broke the rules again and opened the Box of Beauty. There were no mistakes. When crossing thresholds, we, especially women, have to break the old rules in order to move forward and become whole.
As always, I love the images you share.
” When crossing thresholds, we, especially women, have to break the old rules in order to move forward and become whole”: I love that statement and I agree with you… Science and Society taught us to learn from our mistakes… A pristine perfect state of things was probably that one depicted in The Bible: The Garden of Eden. But we wouldn´t simply need to exist if Perection was a preexistent state…
I remember Psyche story… Thank you for mentioning it… Yes: another box. And Beauty has always been polemic to say the least and as we can learn from the Judgement of Paris. He wanted the most beautiful woman: Helen of Troy and Aphrodite gave it to him in exchange of the Golden Apple labeled “To The Fairest”. Again: Beauty, women and apples seem to get intertwined!!. It is interesting to notice that Mythology is many times cohesive, regardless of the Culture we are referring to (we should recognize the relevance of Jung´s theory of the Collective Unconscious). Thank you for the comment!. Love & best wishes, dear Elaine… Happy Holidays ❤
Great post, thank you so much for sharing dear
Merry Christmas
Kisses
Thanks so much, dear Anita…. I appreciate the visit and comment…. Merry Christmas to you too! ❤ 😀
Lola te desea unas Feliz Navidad un abrazo
Muchísimas gracias, Lola…. Felicidades!. Que pases una muy buena Navidad! 🤶💕♨️
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Sin Luz, sin casa, sin movil pero con el espíritu mas bello del Universo. https://superduque777.files.wordpress.com/2016/08/felicidades.gif
Muchísimas gracias, Superduque. Feliz Navidad! 🤶💕♨️
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Merry Christmas ! 🙂
https://youtu.be/20jyt7UE_to Alioșa 🙂 🙂 🙂
Thanks so much dear Aliosa…
Merry Christmas to you and yours. 🤶💕♨️
Bonjour ou Bonsoir
Joyeux Noël mon ami amie ! AQULEANA
J’espère que le Père Noël sera généreux avec toi
Si ce n’est pas le cas ne t’inquiète pas
Sache que mon amitié pour toi vaut tout l’or du monde
Ce petit message marrant pour Noël
Que tu te rappelles combien notre relation amicale est importante pour moi.
Je te présente par avance tous mes vœux de bonne année 2018
Ton ami qui pense à toi
Bisous Bernard https://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/578189joop2.gif .
Merci cher Bernard… Joyeux Noël et Bonne Année. Bisous 🤶🌟💫
My favorite so far. So interesting to me how women seem to be frequently credited for unleashing evils onto the world. Well done post!
Thanks so much… I am thrilled to know that this post is your favorite. I really appreciate the words here.
Sending love. Merry Christmas!!!! 🤶🌟💫
Thank you for this great story of Pandora’s box, dear Aquileana.
Sending warm wishes to you. May your heart and home be filled with all of the joys the festive season brings.
❤ Merry Christmas ❤
Julia
Thanks so much dear Julia… So glad to read your comment… I appreciate the wishes and wish you the same. Love, Peace & Joy for this holiday season… Merry Christmas!!!! 🤶🌟💫
A fantastic post filled full of interest and detail. I’m always so impressed by your depth of knowledge with regards to Greek mythology. And wonderful collaborations too. Wishing you a very wonderful Christmas and a Happy New Year. 🙂
Thanks so much dear Marje… I really appreciate the note and wishes here… I hope that you had a great Christmas and I wish you all the best for 2018 ahead. ❤ 😉
Thank you so much Amalia. We had a lovely Christmas. l’m looking forward to the New Year. Will be visiting my parents in Edinburgh! Wishing you a joyful 2018. ❤ 🙂
Sounds wonderful!. Enjoy, Marje!. All the best for 2018 ❤ 😀
🙂 xxx
Bonjour chère Aquileana et merci pour ton beau billet.
Je te souhaite de tout coeur un très joyeux Noël avec toute mon amitié et mes bisous ♥
Merci beaucoup chère amie… Joyeux Noël… je te souhaite un excellent 2018!. Bisous, Denise 😀 ❤
Just came over to wish you a Merry Christmas and a Happy and fulfilling 2018! ❤
Thanks so much, dear Inese. I hope you had a beautiful Christmas and I wish you the best for 2018 ahead!. Hugs 😀 ❤
Thank you so much! ❤
Un pensiero per una felice sera di S.Stefano, carissima,silvia
Grazie mille, cara Silvia… Un abbraccio grande 😀 😉
I found reading this again rich and enjoyable. Wishing you a peaceful, healthy, and Happy New Year, Aquileana! ❤ ❤ ❤
Thanks so much, dear Anna… I really appreciate your words and support!… Glad that you enjoyed the reading. Love & best wishes. And, last but not least: Happy New Year! 💕
Feliz 2018 😊
Muchas gracias, Luis… Te deseo un excelente 2018! 💕
I thoroughly enjoyed Carolee Croft’s Pandora’s story. Lots of neat information in this post.
Happy New Year, Aquileana!
Thanks so much, dear Carol… Thirlled to know that you found it interesting!. Wishing you a great 2018 ahead 💕
Un augurio speciale per un radioso 2018 carissima Aquileana,silvia
Grazie mille!… Felice anno nuovo, carissima Silvia. Un abbraccio grande 😀
Just dropping by dear Aquileana, to wish you a Very Happy New Year.. Sending all my love from the UK.. As I send wishes for a Happy, Healthy, Peaceful 2018..
Have a wonderful celebration
Love and Peace..
Sue ❤
Thanks so much dear Sue.. I really appreciate your message and wishes here…. All the very best for 2018. Hugs across the miles ❤ 😀
❤ 🙂 ❤
I think the attitude of men from ancient era (and even of many modern day men) towards women reflects the general attitude of people towards those things they do not know or understand well, i.e., to cast aspersions and pull it down to a level that is both understandable and manageable, on the one hand, and to diefy it, so to speak, on the other. This may explain the confusing attitude that men had of women then. Unfortunately, this attitude orevails even in this modern time. Men and women are pitted against each other as though they were created for the sole purpose of competing against each other – for man to asert his dominance and for woman to overcome that dominance. But man and woman are and will always be different from each other, each one bearing his or her own strength and gifts that it almost seems counterproductive to spend time besting each other. They are complements whose individual natures nurture the world.
Hi there dear Imelda, I appreciate the clever insights here. I agree with you: complementarity is the key… I hope that one day we´ll finally reach Equality and for that putting aside the fake antinomies and polarities is an an unavoidable, necessary point. I know that eventually we´ll get there, but there is still a long path ahead, as stereotypes and misogyny hinder the achievements.
Wishing you an excellent 2018 ahead!. Love & all the best 😀
Happy New Year to you, dear Aquileana. Wishing you all the best things that life can offer.
Hugs X
Thanks so much my friend…. Such beautiful wishes coming from you! 😀 ❤ I wish you the same. Hugs & happy New Year!
Hi Amalia, A Very Happy New Year and all best wishes for 2018! ♥️ Thanks for stopping by… 🙂
Thanks so much dear Iris… I hope your 2018 is off to a great start… All the best for the new year ahead!. Sending love ❤
I have read about Pandora once, back in the 70’s. But it was not this extensive. Thank you for the perspectives you share here. 🍸
Thanks so much… Thrilled to know that you enjoyed the post and found it informative. Happy New Year… May 2018 be a great one for you! 😀
A little late, I am, in catching up with you, dear Aqui, but still at the juncture at which the year is taking off to a flying start. Instead of pandora’s box, may I present you with a virtual box replete with love, good health and happiness to keep you in good cheer all through 2018…xo😋
Thanks so much dear Raj!… I would definitely choose that “virtual box” if I had the option! 😀 So very kind of you!. Happy New Year 😀 ❤ All the very best for 2018! xx
Happy new year!!
love, best wishes 🙂 ❤
Thanks so much… And the same to you 💕
Buon anno
Tante grazie… Buon Anno anche a te 😀 🙂
Grazie a te. 🙂
bonjour et merci de ta visite! à mon tour je te présente mes voeux pour 2018. merci aussi pour ce blog très intéressant
Merci à toi, Carfax- Bonne année 2018… Je te souhaite tout le meilleur. ❤ ⭐
I always have a curiosity for Greek Mythology, I enjoyed so much when I was reading this story and thank you so much for sharing! Happy New Year, Aquileana !!… 🙂
Thanks so much… Knowing that you enoy the reading and found itinteresting means a lot to me… Wishing you an excellent 2018 ahead… All the best ❤
Great post as always. I love reading your work.
Thanks so much dear Stacy!… Delighted to know that you enjoyed the reading… Wishing you an excellent New Year ahead ❤ 😀
Happy New Year Aquileana!!!
Thanks so much & likewise to you! 😀 All the best! 🙂
After feeling the weight of Greek patriarchy so eloquently described by Amalia, I felt something very freeing in Carole’s story of Pandora.
Hope springs eternal
Our light will not be extinguished
Our voices will not be silenced
We will only obey that which is just
Hi there dear Lisa, Thanks so much for your words here… Yes, you are right: there is an interesting counterpointin this post… I love Carolee´s hopeful take of the myth… And I am glad that her brief story resonated with you!. Sending love & wishing you an excellent 2018! 💕💗
Vivi un merviglioso giovedì di gennaio, carissima
Un abbraccio,silvia
Ti auguro una splendida giornata e notte, cara Silvia. Un abbraccio 💗
Grazie, felice sera
💞 Grazie a te, cara Silvia
Wow this is my dream blog
Thanks so much… your comment makes me happy! 😀 All my best wishes
Mythology and ancient history has always been super fascinating,exciting, and magical 🙂 🙂
I couldn´t agree more with you… Thank you for following and for your words 😀 😉
I like the blog. Have a wonderful day 🙂
Thanks so much… I wish you the same. Happy weekend! 😀
[…] Devastated, Lisa moved back to her family home spending three painful months in bed. But, as in Pandora’s Box, hiding deep within the despair there was hope. Lisa had tests and more tests and refused to give […]
Thank you for linking back to my blog, Charlie… I love your post. Lisa is an example resilience and success!.. All the best to you! 😀
Come to me
Rising star
You look like
So much far
Gently take me
In your glare
And then burn me
With a flare
That´s a beautiful poem… Thank you for sharing 😀 Wishing you a great day… 😉
Thanks. You too… 🙂
Love the end of your “Vertigo” poem: “Wake me up unexpectedly, push me into the depth. In the echo of the fall, I might find the answer.” I like to think this is what Pandora may have said when she looked into her almost empty jar and discovered Hope still lay inside.
I love your comment and the way you linked the end of my poem to Pandora´s story… So creative and clever. Thank you very much!. All the best to you 😀 ⭐
Earlier Greek cultures were matriarchal. Mother Earth ruled. By Zeus’ day things had changed. Somehow he turned the tables on Hera.
Very eloquent! 😀 You are absolutely right!!!. Thanks so much for the comment… Happy 2018! ❤
[…] Πηγή: ►Ελληνική Μυθολογία: “Πανδώρα και Ελένη της Τροίας&… […]
Thanks so much for sharing… I appreciate it a lot… Love & best wishes 😀
The post was as always fascinating about those Greek women but me encanta mucho su poesia. It was good to hear the Spanish and subtitles but get the meaning in English. I need more of this! Still need to really work on my Spanish.
Thanks so much and so glad to read your feedback as to my poem… It really means a lot to me… By the way, If you want to improve your Spanish, an free app called Duolingo is a good tool, which I´d recommend you … Muchas gracias, feliz fin de semana 😀 🙂
Thanks I’ll look at it. Have got Busuu but did cost. Quite good though.
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Bonjour ma belle amie AQUILEANA
On dis que
les amis fidèles ne vous quittent jamais
Les vrais amis sont ces gens rares qui demandent de nos nouvelles
Les vrais, même s’ils sont à des kilomètres l’un de l’autre, restent toujours proches
Je te dis que Le sourire ajoute de la valeur à ton visage
Et que l’amour ajoute de la valeur à ton cœur
Le respect ajoute de la valeur à ton attitude et les amis ajoutent de la valeur à ta vie
Une des plus belles qualités d’une
véritable amitié c’est de comprendre et d’être compris
Un ami ou amie n’a aucune valeur
Je réponds que ceux-ci ne s’achètent pas
Ceux qu’on a ,on les as mérités et on pour moi une valeur inestimable
Celle du Cœur
Je souhaite à chacun la plus merveilleuse des semaines
Avec de paisibles moments , qu’il fasse beau ou pas
https://postimg.org/image/pqd140h6t/ Amitiés et gros bisous
Bernard
Je te remercie pour tes mots cher Bernard. Je t´embrasse, mo ami 😀 ❤
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3tkpJ09LW6U .
That´s a lovely video. Thank you for sharing! 🙂
Welcome my friend
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Of interest: “Hesiod never her calls her the first woman—or even a woman, period.” https://circodelherreroseries.com/2017/03/20/on-hephaestuss-pandora-hesiod-never-her-calls-her-the-first-woman-or-even-a-woman-period/
Thanks for linking back to my post… I´ll take a look… 😉 all the best to you! ⭐
Bonjour ou bonsoir mon AMI (ie)et gentille AQUILEANA
Ce jour à n’importe quelle heure de la journée
J’ai besoin de t’ écrire un petit mot
Comme quoi je ne ‘oublie pas
Et j’ai un peu de temps à t’accorder
Juste une minute pour te dire
Que je t’envoie un beau sourire
Et je t’accorde deux minutes pour te donner
Sur tes joues, deux Gros Bisous d’amitié
Et surtout quelques secondes pour
Te souhaiter une excellente journée ou soirée
Avec du soleil au cœur
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Salut cher Bernard… merci beaucoup de me rendre visite … je te souhaite une superbe semaine. Bisous ❤ 🙂
I had to read the works of Aristotle in Philosophy class.
You are absolutely right. He did say that men were superior and women.
women were intellectually incapable of making important decisions for themselves.
Hmmm–If Aristotle is correct, then how come men seem to be the ones (throughout history) who have repeatedly made major errors in judgement?
Consider the story of Adam and Eve.
Adam decided to eat an apple from a forbidden tree–even though he knew there would be horrible consequences. When he got in trouble for his decision, did he take responsibility for his poor decision? No. He quickly blamed Eve for talking him into behaving badly. Really? Who made the final decision, Adam or Eve?
Eating the apple was Adam’s decision. And his poor decision supposedly got all of humankind tossed out of the Garden of Eden forever. And yet, for some reason unknown to me, people have continued to blame Eve down through the ages–just because he blamed her for what he did.
There are many stories about beauty and apples causing men to periodically cast all reason aside–so it appears that it is men who are actually intellectually incapable of making important decisions for themselves. The “she made me do it” excuse just doesn’t hold water. 🙂
Such an excellent comment…
I agree with you. Women seem to be the root of evil, but men followed them along. At the end, the last event leading to the Turmoil was a consequence of males taking a bad decision. We can see the misogynist attitude towards women as they represent a sort of invincible and irresistible persuasive , malefic force. An efficient, primordial cause. But again, if men would have been superior, it is hard to understand how “they had been tricked”.
You are right as to apples and beauty. I am thinking of tyhe so called apple of discord, which led to the Trojan War. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_of_Discord … Thanks so much for dropping in, Mary!. A pleasure to read your comment here… All the best! 😀
Such wealth of information. Greek mythology is fascinating.
Thanks so much!!!!. Glad that you think so… All my best wishes 😉
Hello Aquileana!
So good to read your marvellous posts again, I’ve been so very busy!
Very nice collaboration – Carolee’s imaginative story gives the Pandora myth a new twist, and I do like her interpretation of events. Women have come a long way since those patriarchal times. And despite all the evil things in this world, we can survive if we cling to hope and never give up striving to improve our lot.
Congratulations on your poems being featured in “La Poesía no Muerde”.
Best wishes and hugs ❤ 🙂
Irina
Thanks so much for the comment… also on Carolee´s behalf!… As always your comments are thought provoking. Yes, I agree with you as to how women have been depicted since those very primordial patriarchal times… Luckily for us, things have improved a lot, but we still have to work on it if we want to achieve a real equity. Hugs and happy weekend dear Irina! 😀 ❤
My pleasure, dear Aquileana. Hugs and happy week to you. ❤ 🙂
Hugs back at you! ❤
I read Trojan war way way back. I don’t remember much though.. But, after reading this post.. my view of Trojan war changed.. I have to read it again. Great post 👍I have heard name Pandora but, I never knew who she was and her story. Now I got it.
Thanks so much for droppin in and sharing your insights. The Trojan War is such an important event, and Gods and Goddesses tended to take part, protecting “each side”2. I guess one could choose it as a departure point to study Mythology… 🙂 Love & best wishes
😁
Being both a feminist and a Greek Mythology enthusiastic, I have so enjoyed reading this article.
Thanks so much for the great comment! All the best to you ❤ 🙂
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Thanks so much…. I´ll check it out 😉 ** & I will bookmark the link to post it i the future** 🙂 Love & best wishes
You are welcomed!
Great post
Thanks so much!!!… All the best to you 🙂
Un post muy interesante, como siempre 😊
Aprovecho para comentarte que te he nominado para el Premio Blogger Recognition Award. Puedes encontrar aquí el post: https://esthervazquez.wordpress.com/2018/08/01/blogger-recognition-award/
Espero que te haga ilusión este reconocimiento a tu blog. Un saludo.
Hola Esther… muchas gracias por tus palabras… y por la nominación! 💗🖤💗 me alegra mucho 🤗 generalmente incluyo todos los premios en una mención en algún post.. y pienso hacerlo este año también. Por lo cual, me guardo el enlace para postear en el futuro .. . mil gracias y un abrazo 😘
Gracias a ti por este blog, se merece el reconocimiento. Seguiremos por aquí. ¡Un abrazo!
Abrazo para vos 😘
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Thank you very much for sharing, wishing you a great new month 😘💛
Thanks.Gracias.Obrigado.
Obrigado 😘💛😘 ótima semana para você!
Obrigado ,para você uma semana perfeita .E sucesso.
I am so enjoying these collaborations–all the time and details!
Thank you very much, Catherine. I really appreciate it. Hope your week is going well so far. Love and best wishes 😘👍
Happy Mardi Gras!!
Oh, great, Mardi Gras 💛👍…. thank you and likewise ♥️😃
Hi my friend, hope you’re well? 💕 I came back to revisit this post because I’ve been cast as Pandora in a modern opera interpretation called The Fire of Olympus.
So now I’ve been cast as Eve and Pandora two strong women who don’t want to follow the rules and tempt men to break the rules 😳 😂.
Hi dear Charlotte, wow …. that’s amazing. Two revolutionary female roles, to say the least 🙃😉 I bet you did an excellent job!. Thank you very much for revisiting this post, my friend… love and best wishes to yo, always 😘♥️
Thank you for your insight. I’ve just finished reading the book, The Fox, by M.N.J Butler. It’s historical fiction and its setting is Ancient Greece, and by reading your post above somehow gave me a wider picture of what life was back then.
The Catalyst
Thanks so much. I am so glad this post was enlightening to some extent. I will check out Butler’s book 📖🔹🖤 Appreciate the visit and comment…. all the best to you
I was thinking about the parallel of Adam and Eve to Pandora just before you mentioned Carolee Croft’s bit. :D.
The resemblances are striking, right?. Thanks for the comment, Kevin. ♥️🖤 love and best wishes to you, always 😘
Very much so! There are many comparables between mythology, cultures, and religion. Like the various stories the world being flooded and that of Noah.
Yes…. you are right!. Thank you, Kev. Enjoy your weekend 😘👋