►Greek Mythology and Philosophy:
“The Dichotomy Apollonian -Dionysian”, according to Friedrich Nietzsche:
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Apollonian and Dionysian are terms used by Nietzsche in his book “The Birth of Tragedy” to designate the two central principles in Greek culture.
Apollo was the son of zeus and Leto. Artemis was his twin sister. He was the greek god of prophecy, music, intellectual pursuits, healing, plague, and sometimes, the sun.
Writers often contrast the cerebral, beardless young Apollo with his half-brother, the hedonistic Dionysus.
As to Dionysus, he was the son of Zeus and Semele. Dionysus was the greek god of wine, agriculture, and fertility of nature. He was also related to mystery religions, such as those practised at Eleusis, being linked to ecstasy and initiation into secret rites.
Apollo, as the sun-god, represents light, clarity, and form, whereas Dionysus, as the wine-god, represents drunkenness and ecstasy.
The Apollonian, which corresponds to Schopenhauer’s principium individuationis (“principle of individuation”), is the basis of all analytic distinctions.
Everything that is part of the unique individuality of man or thing is Apollonian in character; all types of form or structure are Apollonian, since form serves to define or individualize that which is formed; thus, sculpture is the most Apollonian of the arts, since it relies entirely on form for its effect. Rational thought is also Apollonian since it is structured and makes distinctions.
The Dionysian, which corresponds to Schopenhauer’s conception of “Will”, is directly opposed to the Apollonian.
Drunkenness and madness are Dionysian because they break down a man’s individual character; all forms of enthusiasm and ecstasy are Dionysian, for in such states man gives up his individuality and submerges himself in a greater whole: music is the most Dionysian of the arts, since it appeals directly to man’s instinctive, chaotic emotions and not to his formally reasoning mind.
“Dionysian spirit” is defined in the philosophy of Nietzsche, as displaying creative-intuitive power as opposed to critical-rational power.
But, both of them, the Apollonian and the Dionysian are necessary in the creation of art. Without the Apollonian, the Dionysian lacks the form and structure to make a coherent piece of art, and without the Dionysian, the Apollonian lacks the necessary vitality and passion. Although they are diametrically opposed, they are also intimately intertwined.
The Greek tragedies of Aeschylus and Sophocles, which Nietzsche considers to be among humankind’s greatest accomplishments, achieve their sublime effects by taming Dionysian passions by means of the Apollonian. Greek tragedy evolved out of religious rituals featuring a chorus of singers and dancers, and it achieved its distinctive shape when two or more actors stood apart from the chorus as tragic actors. The chorus of a Greek tragedy is not the “ideal spectator,” as some scholars believe, but rather the representation of the primal unity achieved through the Dionysian. By witnessing the fall of a tragic hero, we witness the death of the individual, who is absorbed back into the Dionysian primal unity. Because the Apollonian impulses of the Greek tragedians give form to the Dionysian rituals of music and dance, the death of the hero is not a negative, destructive act but rather a positive, creative affirmation of life through art.
Unfortunately, the golden age of Greek tragedy lasted less than a century and was brought to an end by the combined influence of Euripides and Socrates. Euripides shuns both the primal unity induced by the Dionysian and the dreamlike state induced by the Apollonian, and instead he turns the Greek stage into a platform for morality and rationality.
One of Nietzsche’s concerns in “The Birth of Tragedy” is to address the question of the best stance to take toward existence and the world. He criticizes his own age for being overly rationalistic, for assuming that it is best to treat existence and the world primarily as objects of knowledge, which is for him meaningless.
Greek tragedy as Nietzsche understands it cannot coexist in a world of Socratic rationality.
Tragedy gains its strength from exposing the depths that lie beneath our rational surface, whereas Socrates insists that we become fully human only by becoming fully rational.
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Check out: “The Birth of Tragedy (1872), by Friedrich Nietzsche”:
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►Links Post:
http://www.sparknotes.com/philosophy/nietzsche/section1.rhtml
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Birth_of_Tragedy
http://www.mlahanas.de/Greeks/Mythology/Dionysus.html
http://www.theoi.com/Olympios/Apollon.html
http://ancienthistory.about.com/od/apollomyth/ig/Apollo/Apollo-and-Other-Olympian-Gods.htm
http://mythologian.net/apollo-the-god-of-sun-music-prophecy-and-healing/
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I loved the slide show, thank you for taking all that trouble to put it and the rest of the post together. it made for very interesting reading.
Hi Susan,
Thank you very much for taking time to read and comment here…
I am really glad to know that you enjoyed the post and the paintings !.
Best regards and wishes to you,
Aquileana 😀
Another elegant and scholarly presentation
Thank you very much, John. I am truly glad to know that you liked the post,
All the best, Aquileana 🙂
Thanks @MarinaKanavaki for sharing ths post at Twitter,
Aquileana 😛
Thank you for the smile now on my face. What a great post.
The idea, the ideal, the dichotomy: what a piece of work is man.
Thank you very much, John.
I highly appreciate your words and I am glad to know that you enjoyed the reading.
You are right: Man is a piece of work … Maybe also a masterpiece 🙂
Best wishes, Aquileana 😛
Greek Mythology is so interesting, love the analogies that mostly represent life of mortals. Thanks Aquileana! 🙂
Thank you HJ for stopping by to read and share you thoughts here… I really appreciate that you did. I hope all is going well over there !
Best wishes, Aquileana 😛
another fascinating and classy post Hugs x
Thank you for stopping by to read and comment…
I really appreciate it.
Hugs right back at you, Aquileana 😛
Este artículo tan interesante, me ha recordado una lectura y una audición. La primera, de las ‘Bacantes’ de Eurípides, obra en la cual las Ménades quedan descritas en todo su extremo furor. Muy interesante. La música que me recuerda es ‘Semele’ de Haendel, que es más bien un oratorio que una ópera, plena del genio de este compositor y acompañada de un buen libretto. Si te gusta la buena música, te recomiendo escucharla, si tienes la oportunidad. Aunque en materia de gustos musicales no hay nada escrito. Pero a mí me encanta la música del barroco.
Un saludo cordial
Lino
Lino,
Gracias por tus doctos aportes… Voy a escuchar sin duda la música de Haendel.
Respecto a la tragedia de Eurípides, agradezco el dato.
Parece ser claramente una pieza en la que Dionisios cumple un papel fundamental, por lo que he leído
(En: http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Las_bacantes )
Tambien hay una ópera, basada en “Las Bacantes”, de Hans Werner Henze. Otra pieza para incluir en la selección musical pertinente con el tema que nos ha convocado…
Un abrazo y gracias por el genial comentario,
Aquileana 🙂
Handel’s Semele: Act 1 English National Opera (ENO) version of Semele:
Kathleen Battle Endless Pleasure from Handel’s Semele
Un gran gusto, Aquileana, y te agradezco muy sinceramente los adjuntos operáticos. Se podría hacer un bello catálogo de temas míticos llevados a la ópera con éxito. Ayer no más escuché en Film&Arts TV la ópera de Purcell, otro grande, Dido y Eneas. Debería hacer una especie de lista, con ejemplos interpretativos tal vez. Un saludo cordial, Lino
Genial, Lino… Coincido respecto a lo del “catálogo de temas míticos llevados a la ópera”, incluso se podrían incluir recreaciones literarias del mito original..
Por cierto, la interpretación de Kathleen Battle de “Endless Pleasue” de la ópera Semele de Handel me pareció perfecta y sublime.
Gracias nuevamente y un saludo con gran afecto,
Aquileana 😛
Thank you for your insight Aquileana! Apollo-Dionysus paradigm gives the balance to the world:) Love them both 🙂 A great reading, as always!:) Hugs!
Hello there dear Inese,
Thank you very much for dropping by and sharing your inisghts as regard to The Dichotomy Apollonian -Dionysian and the importance of finding balance between these two extremes…
As Aristotle would say: “The golden mean (i.e: Virtue) represents a balance between extremes or vices”.
I really appreciate your comment, my blogger friend.
Best wishes, Aquileana 😀
C’est passionnant et si bien écrit, merci, Aquileana… L’exploration de deux polarités, opposées en apparence mais complémentaires, l’une ne pouvant pas exister sans l’autre…
L’ombre qu’il nous faut traverser pour émerger à la lumière, nos contradictions et ce fameux processus d’individuation, si cher aux psychanalystes…
Nos déchirements et éternelles dualités, à accepter et à apprivoiser…
Encore tant de pistes de réflexion, ton blog donne une si riche nourriture intellectuelle. Et je suis toujours passionnée par la mythologie, la tragédie grecque et la philosophie, notamment celle de Nietzsche…
Bisous
Merci chère Elisabeth pour ton commentaire…
J’aime de lire tes réflexions ici…
Je pense que tu as raison quand tu fais référence à la lumière et l’obscurité dans l’ âme humaine.
Je crois lire les pensées de Carl Jung parmis tes lignes et je ne peux que faire un geste d’ assentiment pendant que je te lis… 😉
J’ ai aussi trouvé que le processus d’individuation selon Schopenhauer a encore des corrélations pratiques si claires, comme, par example, l’aliénation et de la répression des instincts dionysiaques.
Bisous pour toi et merci une autre fois, Elisabeth ❤
Aquileana 🙂
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Aquileana 😉
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Aquileana 😀
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This is so interesting Aquileana! Thanks so much for explaining this so clearly. Why do you think he called it “The Birth of Tragedy”? Is he referring directly to the Greek era, or to the “tragedy” that results “from exposing the depths that lie beneath our rational surface?” Is society suppressing human’s “Dionysian spirit”?
Hello dear María,
I think the second interpretation you provided above is accurate and truly eloquent …
As we already discussed the analogies between Nietzsche and Freud are clear… So “the tragedy resulting from exposing the depths that lie beneath our rational surface” might probably be linked with the symptoms that Freud tied to waht he called “The Uneasiness in Culture”…
Therefore, following your ideas, I would say that “Supresion of human’s “Dionysian spirit” might be certainly similar to what “Repression” means, in psychoanalytic terms…
Thank you very much for adding these interestings thoughts here.
Many hugs, Aquileana 😀
wonderful interpretation Maria!!
I agree, dear CybeleMoon,
Best regards, Aquileana 🙂
Thanks Cybele, believe me, Aquileana has helped me to understand how all of this is related to Greek mythology. I had always been a fan of modern philosophers and now I can finally relate to Greek mythology
Great to know that honey…
You had me at smiles over here ❤
Many hugs, Aquileana 😀
Hello dear Aquileana,
Thank you for sharing this very interesting information. As always, I learned something new, and I become more & more interested in Greek mythology.
Have a great weekend!
Takami 🙂
Hello dear takami,
Thank you very much for dropping by and sharing your thoughts here…
I really appreciate your comment and I am happy to know that your interest with regard to Greek mythology tends to increase each day.
That is truly wonderful, my blogger friend.
All my best wishes to you,
Aquileana 😀
Reblogged this on eolo and commented:
Es interesante conocer los detalles de la influencia griega en todos los aspectos de la vida, y a la vez conocer la forma “arquetípica” que les dan los grandes pensadores; en este caso para la creación del arte. Excelente Blog “La audacia de Aquiles” siempre deja temas de reflexión, análisis y disfrute. No pierdan su lectura.
Muchas gracias por rebloggear este post y por tus geniales palabras, como introducción al mismo.
Un abrazo grande, Teresa,
Aquileana 😀
Me gustó bastante, ahora tendré que leer ese libro sobre Nietzsche! Saludos y gracias por tu siempre esperada aportación.
Me alegro de que te haya gustado. Es una interpretación filosófica, desde el punto de vista estético. Creo que Nietzsche hizo un gran aporte en este librito, El Nacimiento de la tragedia, que, por otra parte, fue el primero que publicó.
Me parece increíble, tendré que conseguir ese librillo, y de verdad, no sabes cuánto agradezco tu blog! Es de mus favoritos, si no el su más, enriqueces mi vida e intelecto, como ya dije y reitero. Saludos y gracias!
Teresa,
Tus palabras son un estímulo ideal para continuar.
Gracias por tu apoyo, amiga.
Un abrazo grande, Aquileana 😛
The best of two worlds, and two minds, and two sides to every story!
A rational Trinity? Water will have the last word there, me thinks. 😉
And I like your taste in the arts — sweet, wise, and quite educational.
Thanks for the witty comment and for your kind words… I much appreciate them and you…
(PS> I got lost with the “Rational Trinity” mention)
Cheers & best wishes, Uncle Tree,
Aquileana 😀
Ice, liquid, gas? (I’m not a big fan of Schopenhauer’s Will.)
The inexplicable trumps the rational every time.
And thus, The Trickster awaits
for no good reason.
😉 Cheerz!
UT
♥
How interesting that you linked Schopenhauer’s idea of “Will” with the essential natural elements…
Will can be understood as “Nature” and also as a sort of unconscious force, which might also be found in human beings (Freud would call it precisely “Unconscious”)
I am just adding a couple of quotes that I have found in this article:
http://www.swami-krishnananda.org/com/com_scho.html
“The Will, says Schopenhauer, manifests itself in the individual as impulse, instinct and craving”.
“The Will is above the Idea and is the only reality. The Will is blind, unconscious, and the Idea which is conscious is only its appearance in the intellect”.
“Everything in the world, too, becomes an expression of the Will”.
Best wishes and thanks for the comments, Uncle Tree,
Aquileana 🙂
I’m more a fan of Jung’s Unconscious, and my own 😉
http://uncletreeshouse.com/2011/06/06/living-in-gods-frame-of-mind/
Very interesting application of Greek mythology to human psychology.
Thank you, dear Miranda for stopping by to read and comment… You are truly right as to the practical application of the dichotomy in Psychology
Best wishes to you, Aquileana 😀
Thanks @SylvesterPoetry for sharing this post at Twitter,
Aquileana 😛
This makes for very interesting reading.
Birth of tragedy is an interesting book. I loved it.
Hi Makagutu…
It is and Nietzsche ‘s job with regrad to ideas development there was simply remarkable.
Thank you very much for dropping by.
Best wishes, Aquileana 😀
Thanks for giving us something to think about.
Nietzsche had a clarity of thought that in many cases is unparalleled
I agree with you… The german philosophy with the hammer!.
Happy weekend to you, Makagutu,
Aquileana 😛
Have a nice weekend too
Great work Aqui. Very interesting reading. The creative side needing the structured side. Almost to sort of things balanced. Thank you for the inspiring topics your post here.
Syl : )
That is very well pointed. I think that the main challenge here is to try find balance between these two extremes of the dichotomy.
Thank you very much for reading, commenting and the whole hashtag thing the other night .
Enjoy your weekend, dear Syl. Best wishes, Aquileana 😛
(PS> I added the 😛 face ! )
You’re welcome! You always have some great posts. You have a great weekend and thanks for the face 😀 I laugh every time I see it.
Syl
Me too… It is a symbol of Poetic Brotherhood, I guess.
Many hugs, Syl,
Aquileana 😛
Hahaha, thank you!!!
Big hug to my Philisophical/Sis
Syl
And right back at you, Poet-Brother.
I will go to read a couple of poems at your blog as soon as I am done here, okay?…
Hugs,
Aquileana 😛
No problem. Think of my blog as reading a book. You read a few pages at a time as you wish.
Hugs
Syl : )
Good way to shape it!.
Wink Wink, Syl xo
Aquileana 😛
: )
And.. 😛
Aquileana!
Hahaha!!!!
Great start to my weekend!
Syl
Bring it on… 😀
Well my weekend will begin tomorrow. I am so tired on fridays to go out at night. (Ahhh)
Best regards, Syl. Stay connected,
Aquileana 😛
My weekend starts when I leave the workplace. It has been a long week. To sit and do nothing this weekend would suit me just fine.
Syl : )
That also would fit me well, Syl. Although, I like to go out on saturdays…
But tonight… I am already in bed ! 🙂
We’ll talk soon again, hugs, Aquileana 😛
Have a great night!
Syl 😛
You too Syl xo… with lots of 😛 😛 😛
Aquileana 😛
Wow! That’s a weekend full of laughs 😀
Syl 🙂
Always a pleasure reading your posts 😊
Thank you, dear talker blogger for stopping by to read and comment…
Wishing you a great weekend ahead.
Aquileana 😀
Wishing you the same dear
Thank you very much Talker Blogger.
Best regards, Aquileana 😀
I always feel so much more knowledgeable…yet simultaneously wishing to delve deeper and learn more when I read your posts. You always do share in such an intellectually enticing manner!!
I shall have to add ‘The Birth of Tragedy’ to my TBR list! I love love love Greek Mythology…just haven’t delved into learning as much as I would wish to…yet 😉 !! This was so amazing, thank you for sharing!
I hope your weekend is an amazing one! Hugs xo ~
Hi Christina,
It is great to have here such a great poet as you are…
Thanks for dropping by to read and comment.
And… As to “The Birth of Tragedy” I recommend it to you..
It was Nietzsche’s first book and he wrote it as a Thesis before his graduation.
(You can check out the PDF online by clicking on the image of the book , available on this post)
Best wishes and happy weekend ahead, Aquileana 😀
Thanks @javakat71 for sharing this post at Twitter,
Aquileana 🙂
I have so missed your posts, time hasn’t been my friend but I am so hopeful to be better about visiting for I do always learn so much and I absolutely love to learn!!
You are a very talented writer and always intrigue me to learn more of what you are writing of! For instance…I had no idea that was Nietzsche’s first book…that he wrote it as a thesis! Now I’m more intrigued to read it!! I did save the link to the PDF and hope to read it soon. Thank you so much for sharing your words and the link 🙂 !
Hugs and Happy weekend sweet friend ❤ ~
A classic case of ying and yang. We all need to tune into the give and take of such pulls in order to be better artists as well as thinkers. It floors me every time I think about the origins of Greek theatre. To think, the addition of a second and a third character was at one time a radical concept. Look how that artistic form has blossomed over the years into so many different paths to expression.
Hello Jeri,
I couldn’t agree more with you with regard to the yin yang approach you have highlighted above.
Both of them, the Apollonian and the Dionysian are necessary in the creation of art.
Form and passion go well together to give birth to a coherent and complex piece…
Even nowadays this aesthetic principle is in force.
I still think that Nietzsche has been very stringent with Euripides as I don’t fell that tragedies such as his trilogy “The Oresteia” are not precisely apollonian or purely rational…
Thanks for dropping by and for such a clever comment here.
Best wishes and happy weekend to you,
Aquileana 😛
Thanks @JeriWB for sharing this post at Twitter,
Aquileana 🙂
Thanks JeriWB for sharing this post at Google Plus,
Aquileana 😛
What a magistral, interesting and instructive lesson! Thank you 🙂
Thank you very much. I am glad to know that you liked the post,
All the best, Aquileana 😀
Thanks @wordsinthelight for sharing this post at Twitter,
Aquileana 😛
Great story, very interesting to read. Thank you Aquileana.
Thank you very much for dropping by, Passion Dew.
Always a pleasure to see your comments.
Best regards, Aquileana 😛
everything has to have Blance even in our selves or we would be surounded by chaos,great post today Aquileana,xx Rachel
Interesting insights, dear Rachel…
Thank you very much for dropping by… I really appreciate it.
Best wishes, Aquileana 😛
I really enjoy your posts on the hero myths, and especially when you tie in references from Nietzsche… Thanks, Aquileana!
Great to know that, Chris.
Thank you very much for dropping by… I really appreciate it.
Happy weekend & Best wishes, Aquileana 😀
Hi, Aquileana
I am just in love with Greek culture, thanks to you for presenting it so vividly. I just loved the fascinating character of Apollo. Looking forward to learn and explore more from here.
Regards,
Swetank! (Being Bettr)
Thank you very much for dropping by and sharing your thoughts here…
I am glad that you found this post interesting and really appreciate your comment, dear Swetank
Happy weekend ahead to you, Aquileana 😀
Thanks @iamswetank for sharing this post at Twitter,
Aquileana 😛
Mention not!! I love it so shared it!
Thank you Very much Swetank.
Happy weekend to you,
Aquileana 😀
It’s been many many years since I read “The Birth of Tragedy.” Guess I’ll have to read it again 😉
Thanks for another interesting post!
Hi Jeff…
Some books are worth reading. Therefore usually, worth re-reading.
Best wishes and thanks for dropping by,
Aquileana 🙂
Mi querida Aquileana:
Me iba a tomar un tiempo antes de comentar, el necesario para leer el libro de Nietzsche (gracias por el detalle), pero debo sincerarme. Me hubiese ausentado mucho tiempo.
Me gusta la idea de continuar la idea, si me permitís (oh, amado argentinismo) la redundancia. Otra vuelta de tuerca a Dionisio y Apolo – sigue del post anterior -. Me siento identificada con la mirada de Nietzsche (espero que no sea para alarmarse) en especial, con su definición sobre espíritu dionisíaco. Es comprensible su crítica, además, hacia un racionalismo exacerbado (¿volvemos al justo medio?)
[De puro chusma: gran aporte el de Lino y tu respuesta, tan musical como su comentario. Gracias a … ¿Zeus? por los encuentros que produce la Red]
Beso de buen fin de semana 🙂 Y abrazo de gol 😉
V.
Hola querida Verónica.
Muchas gracias por el comentario. Dispensadme, compatriota si estoy un tanto atrasada con tus posts, pasaré a la brevedad cuando termine por acá.
Creo que tus rflexiones son agudas y acertadas como siempre.
Pensaba que Nietzsche criticó el fin de una Era y el Racionalismo propio de la Modernidad a través de este escrito “El Nacimiento de la Tragedia”, que por otra parte fue su tesis de graduación y primer libro posteriormente
Pero, el Posmodernismo en cierta forma supone un reverdecer de las tendencias y pulsiones dionisíacas, como bien lo señalaron Bauman, Lipovetsky y Baudrillard.
El posmodernismo es la hipérbole del goce, del hedonismo, del pansexualismo, del individualismo epicureísta y del consumo.
Claro que la expresión posmoderna es sui generis… Una manifestación nueva. Sin embargo, hoy nos acercamos más a Dionisios que a Apolo, me parece.
En cuando al aporte de Lino, coincido, es buenísimo.
Y respecto a la fiesta dominical en las arenas del campo de batalla brasileño… Espero lo mejor.
Vamos Argentina, que necesitamos una alegría para olvidarnos de los oscuros fondos buitres.
Beso y abrazo, amiga,
Aquileana 😀
I didn’t realize there were these comparisons and contrasts between characters as you mention… Anything with Nietzsche catches my eye though as it’s just so thought-provoking!
You are a smart gal to be able to understand all of this! Not that I doubted otherwise 🙂 You = clever sweet orange!
Also thank-you for adding the new “galpal” image to the side of the blog in addition to the other quote cards I’ve made you xo Very special!
xo
Love Chris
PS Happy Friday!!
Hello Chris,
Thank you very much for stopping by to read and comment.
I am really glad to know that you enjoyed the reading here.
And.. How wouldn’t I have added that card you made me?!. It is really cute and I truly love it .
Happy friday and weekend ahead,
Many hugs, Aquileana 😛
Awww, I love that you think the quote card is cute 🙂 That’s exactly what I hoped you would think! MUAH!
Also, you’re so welcome for the Tweet and the comment! The loving friendship we have is so unique and wonderful that it is my pleasure to support you xo PLUS, it’s a great post 🙂
HUGS!
Of course, the card is lovely in both shape and content.
Thanks for being my GalPal.
Many hugs, Aquileana 😛
Thanks @christybis for sharing this post at Twitter,
Aquileana 😀
Form and Structure vs Vitality and Power… no you’re right it should be fused. Structure, Vitality, Form and Powers. Oh yes. What a concept! 🙂
Thank you for your kind words and insights on this myth , dear Kev…
Wishing you a marvelous weekend ahead.
Best wishes, Aquileana 😉
Thanks @AGlimpsofHeaven for sharing this post at Twitter,
Aquileana 😛
Likewise A. 😀
and “in vino veritas”. Thank you for this contrast and I love Maria’s comment and agree!! These representations of the human subconscious desiring!!
Thanks dear Cybele… I agree.
Maria always brings great points to understand in depth the classical greek myths.
Great to read your comment here tonight.
Best wishes and happy weekend to you,
Aquileana 😀
and to you! thank you for bringing the myths to life! 🙂
Thank you very much, dear Cybele… ❤
Best wishes, Aquileana 🙂
Thanks Aquileana!
I am the one who is grateful to have such a clever and witty reader as you are!.
Best wishes, dear María ❤
Aquileana 😛
What’s interesting is why is this called a “tragedy”? I suppose it’s related to the dichotomy of both Apollonian -Dionysian representing a “duality” in art and that it is “”tragedy” that gains its strength from exposing the depths that lie beneath our rational surface”; which brings to mind a very interesting concept developed by Freud in his pychoanalytical theory: “sublimation”. According to Freud’s psychoanalytical theory, erotic energy is allowed a limited amount of expression, owing to the constraints of human society and civilization itself. It therefore requires other outlets, especially if an individual is to remain psychologically balanced. Sublimation is the process of transforming libido into “socially useful” achievements, including artistic, cultural and intellectual pursuits. Freud considered this psychical operation to be fairly salutary compared to the others that he identified, such as repression, displacement, denial, reaction formation, intellectualisation and projection”.
According to Freud, “sublimation is a mature type of defense mechanism where socially unacceptable impulses or idealizations are consciously transformed into socially acceptable actions or behavior, possibly resulting in a long-term conversion of the initial impulse. Sigmund Freud believed that sublimation was a sign of maturity (indeed, of civilization), allowing people to function normally in culturally acceptable ways. He defined sublimation as the process of deflecting sexual instincts into acts of higher social valuation, being “an especially conspicuous feature of cultural development; it is what makes it possible for higher psychical activities, scientific, artistic or ideological, to play such an important part in civilised life”.
Hi dear María,
Great insights as regard to ”tragedy“ and Freud’s concept of “sublimation”.
(Ie : Sublimation is the process of transforming libido into “socially useful” achievements, including artistic, cultural and intellectual pursuits)
i believe that sublimation might be linked to apollonian forces and also think that the idea of catharsis in greek tragedies can be linked to both concepts:
“Catharsis (from the Greek κάθαρσις katharsis meaning “purification” or “cleansing”) is the purification and purgation of emotions—especially pity and fear—through art or any extreme change in emotion that results in renewal”.
“Catharsis can only be achieved if we see something that is both recognisable and distant”.
“Aristotle thought of drama as being “animitation of an action” and of tragedy as “falling from a higher to a lower estate”. He held the characters in tragedy were better than the average human being, while those of comedy were worse.”…
(At: https://aquileana.wordpress.com/2014/03/13/platos-ion-and-aristotles-poetics-on-the-concepts-of-mimesis-and-catharsis/ )
Thanks for dropping by dear friend.
Many hugs to you and happy sunday,
Aquileana 😛
Thanks for adding “Catharsis” here, I love the word; and also for explaining “tragedy” from the Aristotelean perspective as “falling from a higher to a lower estate”.
Thanks @queenofsirius for sharing this post at Twitter,
Aquileana 😛
Nevertheless, Jung strikes back at Freud with his interpretation. According to Jung: “Sublimation is part of the royal art where the true gold is made. Of this Freud knows nothing, worse still, he barricades all the paths that could lead to true sublimation. This is just about the opposite of what Freud understands by sublimation. It is not a voluntary and forcible channeling of instinct into a spurious field of application, but an alchymical transformation for which fire and prima materia are needed. Sublimation is a great mystery. Freud has appropriated this concept and usurped it for the sphere of the will and the bourgeois, rationalistic ethos.”
He goes on to say:
“Freud invented the idea of sublimation to save us from the imaginary claws of the unconscious. But what is real, what actually exists, cannot be alchemically sublimated, and if anything is apparently sublimated it never was what a false interpretation took it to be.”
Neo-Freudian Harry Stack Sullivan, the pioneer of interpersonal psychoanalysis, defined “sublimation as the unwitting substitution of a partial satisfaction with social approval for the pursuit of a direct satisfaction which would be contrary to one’s ideals or to the judgment of social censors and other important people who surround one. The substitution might not be quite what we want, but it is the only way that we can get part of our satisfaction and feel secure, too.”
“Along with Clara Thompson, Karen Horney, Erich Fromm, Otto Allen Will, Jr., Erik H. Erikson, and Frieda Fromm-Reichmann, Sullivan laid the groundwork for understanding the individual based on the network of relationships in which he or she is enmeshed. He developed a theory of psychiatry based on interpersonal relationships where cultural forces are largely responsible for mental illnesses. In his words, one must pay attention to the “interactional”, not the “intrapsychic”. This search for satisfaction via personal involvement with others led Sullivan to characterize loneliness as the most painful of human experiences.” Perhaps this is the ‘”tragedy”, “the cultural forces [which] are largely responsible for mental illnesses.”
All the information from above was taken from :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sublimation_(psychology)
So according to the Neo-Freudian school of thought, there was no longer so much emphasis placed on the “intrapsychic” process, but on the “interactional” and “interpersonal relationships”; and “cultural forces” are out there “largely responsible for mental illnesses”. Now this school of thought is also outdated due to scientific research demonstrating “mental illnesses” as byproducts of biochemical imbalances processes occuring in the brain. So in modern society, there is “finally” a way to control people who get “out of hand”, through the use of psychotropics.
Michel Foucault (15 October 1926 – 25 June 1984) theories’ addressed the relationship between power and knowledge, and how they are used as a form of social control through societal institutions. In his book “Discipline and Punish” (1975), Foucault particularly emphasizes how such reform also becomes a vehicle of more effective control: “to punish less, perhaps; but certainly to punish better”. He argued that the new mode of punishment became the model for control of an entire society, with factories, hospitals, and schools modeled on the “modern prison”. (http://stanford.io/1zvMVAh)
What a thoroughly enjoyable discussion here between you and Aquileana, dear Maria! I think Nietzsche understood the true meaning of tragedy when he declared God is dead! ♥♥♥ ;^)
Thanks Aisha for understanding. I consider Nietzsche an extremely existentialist philosopher who was already predicting the downfall of modern society and the struggles between the Apollonian and the Dionysian “forces” within human beings. He later went on to say that “God was dead”, but not to offend any religions in particular; he said it to awaken and face humans with the fact that religion should not be used as a “crutch” to solve problems, but rather the Apollonian and the Dionysian forces (he also called it thesis and anti-thesis), favoring the Dionysian spirit and the “overthrowing” of all morals and values, to then rebuild new ones.
Interesting approaches here …
I think I agree with Jung’s words as regard to Freud’ s idea of sublimation. Particularly when he said:
“Freud has appropriated this concept and usurped it for the sphere of the will and the bourgeois, rationalistic ethos.”
In this sense, Jung tends to believe that sublimation is an ally with apollonian forces, don’t you think?..
As to Jung’s interpretation of what sublimation implies… (Ie: “an alchymical transformation for which fire and prima materia are needed. Sublimation is a great mystery”) I would say it is an interesting definition but maybe a little bit esoteric and abstract… in other words: a Mistery, as he said…
I think that Neo-Freudian ‘s perspectives are ready-witted.. Mainly because they introduce the social variable, meaning the interpersonal relationships.
I now understand why you have these approaches with Foucault in your other comment here…
The interphysical perspective which determines the relationships between power and knowledge, shaping particular form of social control through societal institutions.
The interpersonal relationships and the cultural forces which define what is normal and what is insane…
Great to read your insights.
Your clever reading enriches mine, as always.
Hugs to you, Aquileana 😛
Thanks Aquileana. I also don’t quite understand Jung with some of his concepts, and yes, he may have linked “sublimation” with Apollonian forces, and be a little bit esoteric and abstract, whereas both Nietzsche and Freud are very clear about the term.
This is when Jung begins to depart from Psychiatry into “modern psychology”:
“Unlike many modern psychologists, Jung did not feel that experimenting using natural science was the only means to understand the human psyche. For him, he saw as empirical evidence the world of dream, myth, and folklore as the promising road to its deeper understanding and meaning. That method’s choice is related with his choice of the object of his science. As Jung said, “The beauty about the unconscious is that it is really unconscious”. Hence, the unconscious is ‘untouchable’ by experimental researches, or indeed any possible kind of scientific or philosophical reach, precisely because it is unconscious. Although the unconscious cannot be studied by using direct approaches it is, according to Jung, at least, a useful hypothesis. His postulated unconscious was quite different from the model that was proposed by Freud, despite the great influence that the founder of psychoanalysis had on Jung. The most known difference is the assumption of the collective unconscious (Jungian archetypes), although Jung’s proposal of collective unconscious and archetypes was based on the assumption of the existence of psychic (mental) patterns.” (http://bit.ly/1kjVF2C)
Simply by saying “the unconscious is ‘untouchable’ by experimental researches, or indeed any possible kind of scientific or philosophical reach, precisely because it is unconscious”, he was departing from the empirical research that characterised Freud for so long and which kept him in the medical field, whereas Jung goes on be the founder of “Analytical Psychology” and is pivotal in this movement.
Hi María,
That was a great comment, my friend…
The way you highlighted the main differences between Freud and Jung’s approaches to the study of the unconscious is so accurate and well explained.
Carl Jung’s quote is remarkable: “The beauty about the unconscious is that it is really unconscious”.
I think that Jung’s hypothetical (AKA “Analytical Psychology”) method with regard to collective unconscious and archetypes might be a linked to an ethnographic work or with the analytical method, typical of Anthropology.
Although, after all the achievements of Jung’s researches I may have objections regarding the unconscious as being ‘untouchable’… I think that even according to Jung’s method the unconscious is more than just a useful hypothesis, don’t you think?.
Best wishes and hugs, dear friend.
I hope you have a groovy week. ❤
Aquileana 😀
You may ask why I bring this “madness” or “insanity” issue up on this post. Probably because in order for both the Apollonian and Dionysian forces to work together, there must be a “balance” (my words). From an existentialist point of view, when the balance is not there (either because of societal pressures or illness/disease), could mean the “tragedy”. Much more so, when he (Nietzsche) later said, that “God was dead”.
That is an interesting interpretation, dear María…
I liked the way you linked the lack of balance between the two extremes of the dichotomy and Nietzsche’s quote “God is Dead”…
Although, I tend to think that Nietzsche idea of the Übermensch (which is the consequence of the God’s death, meaning the arrival of the Over Man) might be more linked the dionysian forces
Check out more here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%9Cbermensch
Many hugs, Aquileana 😛
Thanks for that link. Yes, I think the Dionysian forces are definitely linked to the concept of the “over man”. About Jung, yes, I agree that the way he regards the “unconscious” is not as clear-cut as Freud’s. The “unconscious” continues to be a highly empirical scientific method up to this day, and one of the most important concepts in the psychological field that has not yet been challenged by anyone due to the magnitude of its unsurpassed evidence. The “unconscious” is definitely within us, because it was Freud who coined the term, and he fully explains it in his “Interpretation of Dreams”.
Hi Maria….
Thanks for commenting back… I am thinking now that overall the study of unconscious is elusive and almost incomprehensible… And I think taht this applies not only to freud but to Jung and Lacan…
If I had to choose, I would say Freud’s method can be more trustful in order to discover the dark and unconscious side…
I found that this link is eloquent in this sense: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unconscious_cognition
(Note check out excerpts on “Types of unconscious”)
Best wishes & hugs, Aquileana 😀
Correction: “unconscious” was actually coined by the 18th-century German Romantic philosopher Friedrich Schelling (in his System of Transcendental Idealism, ch. 6) The concept was developed and popularized by the Austrian neurologist and psychoanalyst Sigmund Freud.”-
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unconscious_mind
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Aquileana 🙂
Hola, te he nominado a este premio, sigue este enlace:
http://asolasconcaronte.wordpress.com/2014/07/12/premio-sin-premio/
Felicidades y un abrazo!
Muchas gracias por la nominación.
Es un honor inmenso.
Un abrazo, Aquileana 😛
Bien merecida!
Un abrazo 🙂
Muchísimas gracias. Un abrazo,
Aquileana 🙂
“Dionysian spirit” is defined in the philosophy of Nietzsche, as displaying creative-intuitive power as opposed to critical-rational power.
But, both of them, the Apollonian and the Dionysian are necessary in the creation of art. Without the Apollonian, the Dionysian lacks the form and structure to make a coherent piece of art, and without the Dionysian, the Apollonian lacks the necessary vitality and passion. Although they are diametrically opposed, they are also intimately intertwined.
This is very well explained. Thanks, Aquileana.
And thanks for this link:
“The Birth of Tragedy (1872), by Friedrich Nietzsche”:
I read about it in a book on Nietzsche, and now I can read the original. Fantastic!
Wonderful post, as usual. Hugs xxx Irina 🙂
Hello dear Irina,
You have highlighted the most important excerpt of the post… I think that both forces are indeed “intimately intertwined” when It comes to art and its multiple expressions.
I am glad that you liked the post and that you got the link to Nietzsche’ s book, mainly because you said you had read about it… I recommend It too!.
Best wishes, Happy weekend and Hugs to you,
Aquileana 😛
Thanks @kookadim for sharing this post at Twitter,
Aquileana 🙂
I truly enjoy having my educational articles liberally sprinkled with Bacchanalian accompaniments of fine art. Thank you Aqui.
And I truly enjoyed your comment above, dear Mike…
Thanks for dropping by. Happy weekend and best wishes to you,
Aquileana 😛
Voy a iniciar una subscripción para elevar a los altares a Dioniso
Creo que estoy a un paso de unirme a la iniciativa.
Un abrazo, Josep,
Aquileana 😀
Thanks @JosepGarcife for sharing this post at Twitter,
Aquileana 😉
How the two myth characters combine cognitive skills and the creative arts is well pointed out in this post. It’s also interesting to read Friedrich Nietzsche’s thoughts on the Apollonian –Dionysian dichotomy. A good insight into how human relationships function and the need to complement each other. Thank you, Aquileana. Have a good weekend!
Hello dear Iris,
Thanks for this thorough comment. You have got deep into the core of the subject… Thanks for providing an extensive approach with regard to the dichotomy and its practical application as a phychological pattern of behaviour.
Happy weekend to you as well. Best wishes,
Aquileana 😀
No he podido evitar nominarte una vez más, Aquileana, desde este post http://bellaespiritu.com/2014/07/12/blogs-y-premios-again/
Gracias por traer a la realidad diaria el mundo invisible.
Un abrazo.
Gracias mil querida Bell@… Es un gran honor, amiga.
Un abrazo y buen fin de semana para vos,
Aquileana 😉
Que interesante lo que nos refieres. La combinación de ambas nos da por resultado la creación y el teatro… gracias por ponerlo amiga… muchas flores y besos para ti.
Mil gracias por pasar, querido Rubén.
Me alegro mucho de que te haya gustado el post.
Un abrazo fuerte, Aquileana 🙂
As usual, you have put together a very nice post! Thank you! 🙂
Thank you, Sweet, for stopping by to read and comment… I much appreciate it.
Wishing you a great week ahead.
Aquileana 😀
Hi Aquileana,
This was a thought-provoking article comparing the attributes of the Greek Gods, Apollo and Dionysian, which are necessary to create great art. It is interesting how the the Apollonian quality of form and structure needs to be merged with the Dionysian’ vitality and passion to create great art. Although these are diametrically opposed attributes, they are also intimately intertwined.
Thank you for sharing your thoughts on mythology and how it connect to philosophy. Have a wonderful weekend.
Regards,
Linnea
Hello dear Linnea,
Thanks for your great comment here… I couldn’t agree more with you…
Although being “diametrically opposed”, as you said, the Apollonian and the Dionysian are complementaries one with the other.
Art involves both extremes and results of their balance, I guess.
Best regards and wishes,
Aquileana 😛
Thank you, Aquileana for this refreshing new breath of air! I love the awesome discussions in the article and in the comments – like others, this is the paragraph I loved best
“The Apollonian and the Dionysian are necessary in the creation of art. Without the Apollonian, the Dionysian lacks the form and structure to make a coherent piece of art, and without the Dionysian, the Apollonian lacks the necessary vitality and passion. Although they are diametrically opposed, they are also intimately intertwined.”
like yin and yang or the two sides of the same coin, id and ego, we can’t ever escape these two aspects of our humanity, can we?!
wonderful post, my dear Aquileana! Have a great week! ♥♥♥ ;^)
Hi dear Aisha,
Thanks a lot for dropping by… Your comments are always pertinent and clever. I totally agree with you as regard to the complementary aspect of the Dichotomy Apollonian -Dionysian. Which leads us to the ying-Yang symbol as you have perfectly highlighted . It also made me think of Heraclitus and his theory of convergent Opposites, and finally to Aristotle’s theory of the golden mean and the consequent importance of finding out balance between these two extremes…
Best wishes and wishing you a wonderful week ahead,
Aquileana 😛
La distinción entre apolíneo y dionisíaco está en el seno mismo de la civilización contemporánea, entre racionalismo y romanticismo. Hemos de ser capaces de conjugar las dos dimensiones si queremos sobrevivir. Gracias por compartir este interesantísimo post. Chestersoc
Muy acertado el paralelo entre la dicotomía apolíneo y dionisíaco y la de racionalismo y romanticismo. También podríamos agregar la dupla Clasicismo y Barroco.
Ciertamente interesante tu aporte, Chestersoc.
Muchas gracias por leer y comentar.
Un abrazo, Aquileana 😛
Sí, efectivamente. Como decían los antiguos, ‘nihil sub sole novo’!
“Nada nuevo bajo el sol”… Muy bueno, Chestersoc.
Un abrazo, Aquileana 😛
What a scholarly post and presented in such a manner that made for easy reading. Reminded me of the faculties residing in the right and left sides of our brain.
Peace,
Eric
That is a very pertinent and accurate analogy, dear Eric.
Thanks for dropping by. Best wishes, always,
Aquileana 😀
Hola, A. (aquí vengo a alegrar tu día 😀 )
Desde En Humor Arte te he nominado para el Premio sin Premio, una forma de reconocimiento con un nombre extraño pero profundo: http://veronicaboletta.wordpress.com/2014/07/14/sin-titulo-sin-nombre-sin-premio/
Gran abrazo gran. V.
Mil gracias querida V… Ya he sido nominada para el mismo premio. Por ende, incluyo ambas nominaciones en mi próximo post.
Un abrazo, Aquileana 😛
Mi querida A. , llegué de segundona (cualquier comparación con… dejá, se me pianta un lagrimón). No me extraña en absoluto. Tienes un gran blog y lo impregnas con tu calidez.
Un beso, V. 😉
PD: Y eso que hice trampa y alteré el orden cronológico de los premios recibidos…. Ni tomando todos los recaudos, che… 😀
El orden de los factores no altera tu incidencia y relevancia, querida V.
Fuerte abrazo, Aquileana 🙂
I travel a lot in Greece.Thanks you have explained this very well.Great information.Thanks
You are so lucky to travel to Greece… I wish I could visit this country in the future.
Thanks for dropping by to read and comment,
Best wishes, Aquileana 🙂
Its so interesting in seeing how tragedy also plays its role.. I have often observed its through a tragedy we are given opportunities to grow.
Life can not always be lived from one perspective. we have to have both the Joy and sadness within our lives to fully appreciate both..
The tragedy in todays modern living is that people do not appreciate the gifts given them .. Their desires are often based on the material wealth.. And they forget to embrace their true wealth of gifts in one another. caring and in unity, the wealth of family and friends… until tragedy strikes ..
Sending you my thoughts Aquileana and Hope your weekend was relaxing and enjoyable as mine was
Blessings Sue xox
Hello dear Sue.
Thanks for sharing all these clever and accurate insights as regard to life and tragedies.
I agree with you and really appreciate you, my wise friend.
Many hugs and much love to you,
Aquileana 😛
Your posts are made to read over and over again.
Hello Rebecca.
Thank you very much for your nice words 😀
I really appreciate them. Best wishes to you, always,
Aquileana 🙂
Thanks @ChasingArt for sharing this post at Twitter,
Aquileana 🙂
My pleasure!
interesting Aquileana.. 🙂 big hug
Thank you dear Leyla. Big Hugs right back at you,
Aquileana 😛
I received 2 quartz crystals the night of my Reiki Attunement and they told me their names, one of which is Apollo. I enjoyed reading about the crystals inspiration.
Anything is randomly determined, I guess.
Thanks for sharing this cool experience with me…
Best wishes, xo,
Aquileana 🙂
Nice post Amalia, and agree with Nietzsche when he said our Western society has became too rationalistic, the enantiodromia backlash we suffer it’s reflected on the consumption of all kind of drugs to obtain some sort of relief from our daily rational Apollonian mind. I have been stressing the importance of the balance of these two currents on the Human soul for a while, and speak a little bit in the following post in my blog: THE POSTMODERN AGE AND THE QUEST FOR A NEW PARADIGM
Posted on July 13, 2011
I couldn’ t agree more with your clever insights here.
Such an accurate approach…
Thanks for dropping by. I will check out your post in a while…
Best wishes, Aquileana 😛
Greetings from sunny Warsaw. Feel free to watch the new collection of photos in the album ‘Roses’
Hi Marko…
Okay… I will visit you very soon.
Greetings from Buenos Aires, Argentina.
Aquileana 🙂
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Aquileana 😀
I love the paragraph: “the Apollonian and the Dionysian are necessary in the creation of art. Without the Apollonian, the Dionysian lacks the form and structure to make a coherent piece of art, and without the Dionysian, the Apollonian lacks the necessary vitality and passion. Although they are diametrically opposed, they are also intimately intertwined.”
Over thinking and rationalising everything we do does stifle creativity and being impulsive, though balance of the two is a happy medium.
Great article cara Aquileana 😀
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Aquileana 😛
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Aquileana 🙂
“Apollo, as the sun-god, represents light, clarity, and form, whereas Dionysus, as the wine-god, represents drunkenness and ecstasy”.
Although being “diametrically opposed”, as you said, the Apollonian and the Dionysian are complementaries one with the other.
Like two sides of the same coin, as someone said in the comments.
Once again, the further aim is related to finding balance, I guess.
La ringrazio molto per il tuo commento, cara Luciana. Un abbraccio.
Aquileana 😛
Such a stunning presentation Aquileana! It’s always so nice coming here and read about all this interesting history. Thanks for sharing. 😀
Hello Sonel,
Thank you very much for taking time to read and comment here…
Best regards and wishes to you, Aquileana 😛
You are very welcome Aquileana and the same to you hon. 😀
Best wishes and hugs to you, dear Sonel,
Aquileana 😛
Thank you for your visit with me! 🙂
A very nice and interesting blog from you!
Greetings from the heart of me ♥
My pleasure, Ann…
And thank you very much for dropping by to visit and comment here…
Best wishes, Aquileana 😀
(…) Singing and dancing, man expresses himself as a member of a higher community: he has forgotten how to walk and talk and is on the verge of flying up into the air as he dances. The enchantment speaks out in his gestures. Just as the animals now speak and the earth gives milk and honey, so something supernatural also echoes out of him: he feels himself a god;
he himself now moves in as lofty and ecstatic a way as he saw the gods move in his dream. The man is no longer an artist; he has become a work of art (…)
The Birth of Tragedy, Excerpt from chapter 1.
Besos 😉
Thanks a bunch for adding this excerpt, as regard to Dionysus, dear Ernest.
Best wishes to you!,
Aquileana 😀
Zeus sure got around! 😉
It seems he did, right?… he is always involved with discord between opposites!,
Best wishes, Aquileana :p
gros bisous bonne soirée merci du passage sur mon blog Bernard
Merci beaucoup por ton commentaire, Bernard…
Mes meilleurs vœux pour toi,
Aquileana 😀
Fascinating.
Thank you very much.
Best wishes, Aquileana 😛
Always informative and interesting thanks Aquileana.
Thank you very much for stopping by to read and comment …
I am really glad to know that you enjoyed the post.
All the very best, Aquileana 😀
Thanks @linneatanner for sharing this post at G Plus.
Aquileana 😛
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El equilibrio es un devenir entre fuerzas opuestas y en eso estamos. Pero la sociedad hoy empuja y se estimula con lo dionisíaco y sus enumeraciones, con el aparato secreto y misterioso que gobierna los sentimientos. Se pondera el sentirse bien, el sentido y hecho de vida sensual presente. Echo en falta una indudable superior carga de lo apolíneo en sus correspondientes notas, más racionalidad y pensamiento, mejor luz, mayor oferta de esfuerzo en bien de los demás… ¡Hay que pensar más, pero con el acierto del bien! Me has metido en filosofías… he de salir de ellas en buen momento.
Me encantó tu entrada, bienquerida Aquileana.
Eres grande. Mi buen abrazo. Gran día.
Gracias por tu inteligente comentario, querido Al. Coincido con vos cuando destacas la hegemonía del aspecto dionisíaco en la sociedad actual.
Se trata de una exageración hedonista del individuo y una tendencia al Todo Vale que se focaliza en el presente y el placer.
Coincido con tus reflexiones y los imperativos que destacas para lograr una situación balanceada, pues el costado racional o apolíneo también debe ser considerado e incluido.
Un abrazo grande, Aquileana :p
Es verdad el sentido de coincicir en este toque de pensamiento, y no deja de congratularme: en la juventud de ahora -en un grueso, claro es- tu manera de ser y pensr casi me sorprende, pero me anima profundamete: veo una respiración acompasada inteligente y práctica. ¡Albricias!Hay “un todo vale, singularmente si yo a la cabeza”. El hedonismo se ve como un natural a exigir pero con el derecho en la mano como espada exigente…
En fin… Te mando mi agradecer, mi afecto, abrazo y el deseo de un día con fruto para ti, querida y excelente amiga Aquileana.
erudito, interesante, informativo y bien escrito como de costumbre! gracias mi amiga ~
Muchas gracias por tu comentario. Tus palabras significan mucho para mi Cindy.
Un abrazo, Aquileana 😀
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Excelentísimo texto Aquileana!
Muchas gracias. Tu post sobre Dionisios me ha parecido genial. Muchos saludos, Aquileana 😀
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